Interviewee: Reid, Charles
Interviewer: Green, Eleanor
Processed by: W. Ray
EG: Charles do you understand that this interview is being recorded and do you consent?
CR: Yes, I totally consent
EG: Can you tell me your full name?
CR: Charles F. Reid, I use F. but my middle name is really Francis, but I never use it, and my signature is just Charles F. Reid
EG: Can you tell me about when you were born?
CR: I was born in Sherard, MS, it’s about six miles southwest of Clarksdale, at the intersection of Hwy 322 and number 1, and I was born in 1935 on a farm in Sherard.
EG: How much land then or does your family own?
CR: Currently the acreage is 200, it’s approximately 156 in cultivation and the remainder of it is in wooded or non farming portions of the property. About six acres of it consist of what was a railroad that ran through our property. And when the railroad was abandoned, the company allowed the owners of the land that it ran through to purchase that, and so six acres is an old railroad bed and was formerly the railroad that ran through our property
EG: Is the railroad or the railroad track still there?
CR: No, they took all of that up, just the bed, on our land just the bed is still there, most of the farmers and landowners leveled everything. We did not do that, my father when he was living said he didn’t want to because he didn’t want to sell that to someone who wanted to put into development or something he had several reasons for not. But, he never leveled his so it just grown up really
EG: How much land did your family start with?
CR: 40 acres
EG: 40 acres, do you know when they got their 40 acres?
CR: Okay, I have some information that I can share with you from our family history that can give you some insight into when it was originally purchased. Do you mind me doing that?
EG: No that will be fine
CR: Okay, our farm is located in a farming community located in Coahoma County in MS Delta. It’s 8 miles southwest of Clarksdale, and approximately 75 miles south of Memphis, TN. Sherard, MS became a mail stock along a section of the Illinois Central railroad that lead from Memphis to Greenville, MS. After the railroad was established they sold the excess land to settlers in that area, in parcels of 40 acres. See that was the originally purchase, I don’t have the cost of it at that time, it probably was not that much money involved in it, but the originally 40 acres was bought from the railroad. It was through this program that Frank and Rosie Lee Reid, who were my grandparents, purchased their first 40 acres of land in Sherard in the late 1890’s. They later acquired additional land and eventually a total of total 200 acres, this became known as the Reid family farm.
CR: And those 200 acres are still there, we don’t farm it, we lease it out, we are leasing out to farmers.
EG: All of it is leased out now?
CR: Yes, even the wooded area is leased out.
EG: Is there still a home there?
CR: Yes, the old home site that I was born in is still there, my mother who is, if she makes it next week she will be 98 years old on May 1st, and she still lives there.
EG: She lives alone?
CR: No, I have a sister who spent most of her adult life living there with her, and little over a year ago she had a stroke and she can not walk, she is paralyzed on her left side. So I have another older sister who lives off and on with them currently. So the three of them are there together. And I have to visit them everyday to look after them.
EG: What was produced on the farm, when it first started out? Do you know?
CR: In the beginning, it was a variety of crops. Mostly cotton was the primary crop. But there was corn, grain such as wheat. Then we raised our own vegetables, soybeans was not raised at that time. But later on it became one of the primary crops that was raised later on. And currently the person who we lease the land to now, rotate the crop between soybeans and cotton.
EG: Is it leased to a black farmer?
CR: No, white, the adjacent land owners who was the initial settlers of the Sherard family, it’s leased to them, the 4th generation of their family is still there.
EG: Did your family farm anywhere else before they moved here?
CR: My grandfather, which is stated in our family history, came to MS from Alabama, and I can tell you a little about that that is in our family history.
EG: That will be good
CR: My grandfather was Frank Samuel Reid, was born May 10th, 1860 on a plantation near Livingston, AL. He was the son of Alice Whitehead, a 15 year old slave, and Salone Sherard. So his parents were mixed, white and black. Salone Sherard was one of the sons of the plantation owner. Salone Sherard was born in 1840 and died in 1873. He was the son of John Holmes Sherard, and that’s the person that settled the land in Sherard. John Holmes Sherard was the original settler. He was born in North Carolina in 1798. Now this is interesting in our history, John Holmes Sherard was the grandson of Gabriel Holmes who was the governor of North Carolina in 1821-1824.
EG: So Alice Whitehead was the 15 year old slave of John Holmes?
CR: No, she was of the Sherard family in Alabama.
EG: And Salone was the father of Frank?
CR: Of Frank, Right
EG: When did Frank come to Mississippi?
CR: He, in 1874 at the age of 14, Frank and his mother, the Whitehead I just mentioned to you, traveled by wagon train from Livingston to Ms. They were accompanied by a number of people from the plantation and John Holmes Sherard, the youngest son of the Sherard family. He was the one they came to Miss. With. They settled in Mississippi Delta, on what became the first section of the Sherard plantation. This section was called Fairview, and was a plantation that eventually grew to become 6,000 acres in size. And that constituted the Sherard plantation. After a while, arriving in Mississippi, 14 year old Frank decided that he liked the Miss. Delta and what he had to offer.. So he and his relative, Robert Lowe, walked all the way back to Livingston got their cows, then walked all the way back to the Fairview plantation in Mississippi. They had left their cows in Alabama, because they was not sure the find Mississippi to their liking.
EA: So they owned the cows?
CR: Yes in Alabama.
EG: Now was Frank a slave?
CR: No he was not born a slave, but his mother was.
EG: Right, so he had cows in Alabama and brought them here
CR: Right, after he decided to sell them in the Mississippi Delta, he and his friend, walked back to Livingston, Alabama and brought their cows, walked them back, all the way back to the Mississippi Delta.
EG: Has the land been divided all over time or just added too?
CR: It was added too, in the history later on it will tell you how the additional..the first 40 acres was totally undeveloped. They had to clear it in the beginning to make it farmable. But when it was purchased from the railroad it was not in any condition to farm at all. Now you ask about the division of the land? Frank Reid, my grandfather, had 3 children, well he had 4, but he had 1 from a first marriage who left and moved to St. Louis and never really associated himself with his father. His second marriage had 3 children; one of them was my father, Miram M. Reid. Then Frank Reid moved to Washington, DC in 1911, and never moved back to Mississippi. A daughter named Operlin Reid stayed here, eventually built a home in Clarksdale. But she never lived on a farm. The only person who lived on the farm was my father; he was a very educated individual. He went to Jackson State, Jackson College at that time. He finished with all A’s, I have a silver cup in which he was awarded at graduation for having a straight A average in college. He was offered a job at Jackson Colleg ewhen he finished, but he decided he wanted to farm and take over the family farm. So he came back from Jackson to Sherard to take over the farming. And my grandfather died in 1937, so he took over the farm until he passed in 1971. Now there are three children involved. Frank Reid who lives in Washington, DC, the oldest son. Opulene Dorsey, his daughter, and then my father. So it’s a three family estate that’s involved in the 200 acres.
EG: 3 families.
CR: The land was never divided up into any, the reason my grandfather stated, if the land was ever sold, it needed to be sold all together, because it was different kinds of land. Some of it sandy land, some buck shot and if you divided it up it would never have equal value. So he said if it was ever sold, it needed to be sold totally and not in sections.
EG: How is technology and what was produced on the farm changed over time?
CR: Okay, let me tell you about the farming in the early years late 1800s to early 1900s. When my grandfather acquired the land, as the total acreage increased, he had living on the what we call, sharecroppers and tenants. There is a difference between a sharecropper and tenants. I don’t know if ya’ll are familiar with it. A tenant is a person who lives on the farm and you provide a house for them, and they work for you. You pay them, and they borrow stuff from you, and at the end of the year if you owe them anything, you do what they call a settlement with them, but most of the time you don’t owe them anything, so they don’t have anything at the end of the year. Then a sharecropper is an individual is who you furnish their home, and furnish their farming supplies to raise their crops and farm the land. At the end of the farming season, they share half of the value of their crop with you. That’s why it is called sharecropper. So on our farmer we had tenant and sharecropper. This lasted until the 1940s, that kind of farming took place. Now on large plantations, we did not, we had a small farm. On the large plantation you had a general store or a commissary, where the plantation owner kept everything. Where during the year, they didn’t call it credit, you got things, and he wrote down in the book what you got. You didn’t have any record of what you got, he kept the books, at the end of the year when you get ready to settle up, he had the records; he always told you that you were always in debt. You still owed them, so you got nothing at the end of the year. You had people who lived on the farms like that, at the end of the year if they were in deep debt with the plantation owner, at the end of the year, they left overnight, they went somewhere else. To another plantation, north or whatever, because they knew they would never get ahead. And you had individual owners of the land who got in debt also, and left, that is why the land now is owed by a few people, because they just left the land and couldn’t pay the taxes. So then the plantation owners near there would come and pay the taxes, and own the land. That’s how the land is owned by a few people and not small farms and what have you. But we kept our land.
EG: Does the Sherard still have land there too?
CR: Yes, there were several, at least 2 families involved in that land, and it has been divided up. The fourth generation of the Sherard family is still there farming it
EG: Now do ya’ll se each other as relatives?
CR: Artificially, it’s known, but it is not out just spoken about out with like that. Because when we started leasing our land my father did back in the early 50s. He stopped farming because it got too expensive and he was getting up in age. He decided to lease the land out, and leased it to a white family the Stribling family. They farmed it until up in the 80s from 50s to 80s. They decided to get out of farming, and when they ..I guess it’s safe for me to say this, well when they decided to get out of farming we were looking for somewhere, I am the administrator of the land now. I look over it and take care of the taxes. And when we got ready to lease it to someone else. There were two farming entities interested in leasing it from us. Jack Sherard has it now, John Holmes Sherard IV, but we call him Jack. He came to me, and he said he would like to lease it and it is adjacent to his land anyways. Also we have another big plantation ownera adjacent to us who wanted to lease it also, he came to me about leasing the family land, and I said I was consider leasing it to Jack. And he said I can understand why, and left it at that. So he knew the relationship there, the history there. He got angry with me about, stop speaking to me for a while, but it got to be okay.
EG: S until this day is still leased to Jack?
CR: Jack Sherard yes.
EG: What would you tell a young person who is interested in agriculture? Say one of your grandchildren?
CR: At this day and time, with the cost of farming, in agriculture, unless you have a lot of money in the beginning to invest in it, I would not recommend it. Because it is too mechanized and it’s too expensive, especially the equipment you need. The insecticides, the weed control, the insect control. All of that is very expensive. Now you have a lot of government regulations concerning what you can do and can’t do in the use of various chemicals. And it’s just really too expensive. And the farmers that are doing it now, tell you, they just barely making it. In the early years when they were farming, you had people working on the farm who you didn’ t pay social security, you didn’t anything out. You just paid them, whatever they made. The farmer didn’t have to pay social security. It wasn’t until later years, that the social security administration said, that you have these people hired you got to pay social security and other benefits that come out of their check.. That cut back on the profit that the farmer was making, so with all other expenses involved, the increase and cost of labor went up. Unless you got a lot of money and want to dedicate yourself to it… There are few small African Americans farmers still around it
EG: Our farmers market is almost completely, farmers from African American farmers. Have any of the young people showed any interest in farming in your family
CR: In my family no. Those, there are 3 families involved in the estate, too many people… at the end of the year when I pay the taxes, get the lease statements, and any expenses involved in it, then I have to divide the profit within the 3 families. The one family in the Washington, DC area, my uncle Frank Reid, he has some children. My fathers’ oldest brother that went to Washington in 1911 and didn’t come back. He had some children. A son and daughter. His son has passed. His daughter had 3 children, a son and 2 daughters. A third of the profit goes to them because their mother died. Then they have to divide that profit into thirds. The further it goes, to almost nothing. Ironically with that family, one of the girl’s husband is an Indian. He thinks the land down here is very, very valuable. I guess reading about the casinos, so he wrote a letter almost 5 years ago, saying they wanted their share of the land, 1/3 of the 1/3, they wanted their 1/3. So I took it to my lawyer, he said don’t worry about it.
EG: They wanted to come down here and farm it?
CR: No they just wanted to sell it, they would never come down here.
EG: Oh, would you have to get signatures from all three families to sell it.
CR” Yeah, we have to get all kinds of signatures
EG: So one person can’t just sell the land
CR: NO, My lawyer said don’t worry about it, they did write a second letter, and I just ignored it too. I haven’t heard anything from the husband, I have been sending them money at the end of the year. My mother who still lives here gets a third, no one knows what the land looks like, they just get a check at the end of the year from the profit?
EG: My mother in law, gets a check for oil that was found in her family land, but by the time it is divided into groups, it leaves her none.
CR: That’s one thing, if you own land make sure you maintain your mineral rights. If you sell it without mineral rights, so if oil or gas is found you won’t get any royalties on it
EG: So nobody in the family can just sell the land? Ya’ll would have to make a group decision?
CR: Right, well all three families have to be in agreement to sell. Whoever is this administrator for that part of the estate.
EG: From you father and your mother, there is you and how many siblings?
CR: There are seven of us
EG: So you and six others?
EG: You’ve got the brother in New York.
CR: I have 2 brothers in California, a sister in Jackson, Mississippi.
EG What is the brother in New York’s name?
CR: Frank. His name is Frank.
EG Frank Reid
EG And the sister in Jackson, what is her name?
CR: Myrtle. M-y-r-t-l-e.
EG: Is her last name Reid?
CR: No, she is Sheilds. S-h-i-e-l-d-s. She worked at Jackson State, she is retired now.
EG: And the California brothers? Two brothers…
CR: Yeah, one is named John and one after my father, Marion. Since you asked me about my sisters and brothers, my siblings. With the money from our farm, and then my mother owned land in Sunflower County. I don’t know whether you are interested in that or not, it is another whole story. Her father bought land similar to the way land was bought here, in Sunflower County. And there was three of them. When he died he did divide the land up among the three of them. So she owned, I believe 90 acres in Sunflower County, she sold it now. But between that land and the land here, they sent us all to college. Well we worked some ourselves, and we had to come home each summer to work on the farm when we were in college.
CR: I went to college in Atlanta, Georgia. Morehouse College. At the end of the academic year, I had to rush home to work on the farm. And let me give you a little background at the beginning of farming. When we first started farming when I was old enough to be involved in the work, we had mules that we used for farming. We had the implements that we used called, I don’t know if you ever heard of these implements, called a gang plow, that’s what a mule pulls, a double shovel, a middle buster, all those kinds of things, and we had to put all these things on our mules and everything so they could pull the implements on the farm. So that’s how I first got involved in farming, using mules to farm. All our mules had names and stuff that we called by name. Then later on when it became mechanical, my father bought the first tractor, I’m not sure what year that was. A little Ford tractor that we used. That tractor, during the farming season nearly went 24 hours a day. I took the night shift mostly. During the spring season when you planted crops and everything. I even did this in high school. Breaking the land up and planting the crops and everything. So we did begin to become mechanical with a tractor to replace the mules. When I came home from college that would be my job. We chopped cotton, we cut the weeds out of the cotton. We plowed the cotton. Do the plowing down the middle to kill all the weeds. You removed all the weeds with hand and used the tractor down the middle. So we had to do all that. In the fall of the year we picked it, picked the cotton. My father hauled it off to the gin on the truck. He had a pickup with a little bed on it to haul it to the gin and sell it. And that is what we did on the farm. In the early years we raised everything we had. Everything, we grew hogs for meat. Chickens, all kind of fowl, duck, guineas, all kind of fowl on the farm. We grew all our vegetables. Even we grew, not sugar cane, but sorghum. Something similar to sugar cane. We grew that and that is what they made molasses out of. We had one person in the community that had this mill where you could get all the juice out of the sorghum and then cook it where it would form the molasses. And we would take all this to his place and he had a mule that would pull the thing around to squeeze the juice out of the sorghum and cook it and make molasses. You didn’t pay him, you just gave him part of the molasses that came from it.
EG: You’ve mentioned Frank, Myrtle, John and Marion and yourself…
CR: I have two older sisters, the ones that I mentioned that are staying with my mother now. They are older than I am. My oldest sister went to college but she didn’t finish. The next oldest…My oldest name is Henrene. The next oldest Operlin.
EG: How many kids went to college from the college?
CR: All of us. Well the oldest sister went for a short time, did not complete. But the rest of us completed.
EG: What role would you say that race has effecting the farmer?
CR: Now or back then?
CR: Back then it very much affected race. You were looked down on by the white community as much lower class than they were. The N word was used quite frequently, whites talking about blacks. There was really no tension, but you knew where your place was.
EG: Did anyone ever try to get your land?
CR: Yeah. Not successfully. I can’t pinpoint any incidences. But yeah they tried to….but my grandfather was so smart and he worked closely with the whites. To tell you how smart he was, he didn’t finish high school but he learned a lot of trades and he learned how to deal with people. When he was farming back in the early ‘20’s he knew that the Negroes, as they were called then, needed some education, some kind of way to take care of their land, earn money and save it. He went about in the community talking to them about these kinds of things. He also convinced the, I guess, the powerful white population that they needed an educational institution for the Negroes, at that time we were called. So that they would be a better help for them on the farm. That’s the approach that he used. Cause the only schools they had were elementary schools and they only went three months a year, in school during that time. So he kept pushing the issue, pushing the issue, until they decided to go ahead and do that. So the Coahoma Agricultural High School located on the campus of Coahoma Junior College, now Community College. He helped to found that, to get that started. By him telling the plantation owners and other business and industry people at that time they you needed an institution for the Negroes. The school was built in 1924. It was the first high school for Negroes in this area.
EG: Do you know if they encountered problems trying to sell the cotton at the gin, did they get different prices or anything?
CR: I don’t know about it. My father, Frank, might know this. Cause he is a historian My father never told me about it. I know when he took the cotton to the gin. Sometimes we would have to load the cotton up on the gin at night —I mean on the truck at night. And then in going to school, we went to school here in Clarksdale after we left the elementary schools in the rural area. We came to high school in Clarksdale. We had to load the cotton up on the truck at night after picking it. Then in the morning on our way to school, he would drive the load of cotton on the truck and drop us off at school and go on to the cotton gin to have the cotton ginned. I don’t know any discrepancies in the pricing of the cotton. Frank may know a little more about that than I do. I don’t know if they discriminated against you. You had to wait behind somebody else to get our cotton ginned.
EG: What would you say is the most memorable moment in life in growing up on the farm?
CR: With my brothers and sisters, being with them and doing the different chores. We knew what we had to do and we worked together. Just being around them. We would work all during the week. Most of the time we didn’t have Saturday off. We would go to Sunday School We had to walk about a mile away to go to Sunday School on Sunday. I guess one of the most memorable occasions I had, my father bought his first pickup truck. It was a standard shift pickup. I learned how to drive when I was fourteen years old driving across the fields. I got my license when I was fifteen. Fifteen years old. When I went to the examining station to get my license, my daddy took me. I took the written test and I guess I passed it. And the examining officer asked me father, can he drive? My father said, he can drive for me. Well if he can drive for you he can drive for me too. So I’m going giving him his license. The only thing is we had to get a reflector to put on the truck and my daddy went and got that and put on and I didn’t have to drive and I was fifteen years old.
EG: Do you know if your family utilized any assistance to continue farming such as coops or USDA agencies?
CR: I’m not familiar with any. My father may have taken out some loans in the beginning to help. But I’m not sure of any. My brother Frank would know more of that than I would. But the land is paid for, it’s not in debt at all, no debts against it.
EG: What is your value of your land to your family, not necessarily the monetary value?
CR: It has a lot of sentimental value to it. We were born and grew up on the land. If it is ever sold…I would hate to go back and visit that cause I wouldn’t want to see.
EG: Do you think you would ever sell it?
CR: Yeah. Cause I’m discussing it now about it. Cause there are too many people involved in now with the three families in estate and their families and offspring and they don’t know anything about it, all they want is the monetary value from it. So, it will eventually be sold.
EG: That’s the end of my official list of questions, but is there anything else that you would like to add, or anything else that I haven’t that you thought I should have?
CR: I’m not sure of anything else. You have asked me about the names… I’d like to show you some history. This is a marriage certificate. My grandfather, Frank Reid, got married to Rosie Reid, in see the date on this, in 1891, at Macedonia Church at Sherard, Mississippi.
EG: What year was that?
CR: 1891. I do have pictures. Not a real good picture, but one of my grandfather dated in the late 1870’s, this was his mother. Now, this is later in 1890, his wife in 1890. She was a mixed background, so. These are the three children, that was the oldest son, the daughter, and here is my father. This is some more pictures of ….
EG: Are there any photos of your grandfather’s father?
CR: No. ..? These are my siblings here. That’s Frank. Sister Myrtle. My brother John, my mother, sister, sister, older brother. But that was my grandmother. This is Frank when he? I just wanted to show you this map. We are in Clarksdale and this is Sherard going out this way. This is the way he walked from Livingston, Alabama to Sherard. All across the…right near the state line, the Mississippi state line. All across the state of Mississippi to Sherard.
CR: That’s where my grandmother was born.
EG: Okay. So Rosa Lee was from Fulton?
CR: Fulton, um hmm.
EG: What structures existed on the farm in the past?
CR: Okay, I told you on this farm, as the acreage grew we had houses built on the farm to house the tenants and sharecroppers. We may have had as many as eight houses on the farm at one time. And in addition to the houses, they had what we call cotton houses. As you would pick the cotton you would load it, pick it in sacks, and you would dump it into, and we didn’t have trailers or anything like we do now to load the cotton into. You would put in cotton houses, and they were placed strategically all across the farmland and put cotton into those houses. When you got what you thought you had a bale, then you would load it in a truck or a wagon and you would carry it to the gin. But they would store it in a cotton house. Then each of the residents houses – they had little houses – we had a smoke house out back where you cured your meat and everything. Many of the houses had those kind of things there. Some of the early houses on the farm were built like, they had the – I know your history know about the slave quarters – where they separated the kitchen from the living quarters. It was a little walk breezeway between the kitchen and living quarters of the house. We had houses that were built like that also. Then you had the outhouses. You didn’t have an indoor bathroom. Then you had a pump to drill a pump into the ground far enough for you to pump water out of the ground for drinking or washing or whatever you wanted to do. It wasn’t filtered or anything, it was just hard water that was pumped out of the ground for you to use.
EG: Was it a well?
CR: It wasn’t really a well. We didn’t have wells back then. We just drilled a pipe into the ground. It had a little filter on the end of it, the pipe did to help filter out…
EG: Was it a long skinny thing that you stick…and kind of tapers toward the end and you put it down there and pull it up and it was full of water?
CR: Not on our place, but there was some places that had what you call well water. It had a big top thing that you let down with a bucket and lift it up. But we didn’t have that.on our land. We just had the pumps.
EG: What structures are still there and what have been added? Are there any original structures there?
CR: No. You travel across the Delta and you don’t see any houses that have any farm houses. Other than the ones that have been built for the farmers. Some of them have brick houses out on the farm for their people that work for them. But very few people live on farms now. When the machines came on there was no work for them to do and the farmers begin to tear down the houses and they moved to the small towns and moved to the cities.
EG: But there is a house out there right?
CR: My mother’s house. That’s the only house that is there. All the rest of them are torn down. Even the barn is torn down. This area is just all grown up now. My grandmother’s house was here.
EG: You said when the land was bought, was there a reason, was that because it was a railroad?
CR: No, it was all wooded. It was not cleared for farming or anything. The people that are selling are the ones that clear it up. When the Sherard’s first moved here they had to clear, my grandfather helped the Sherard’s clear some of their land.
EG: Did your grandfather choose which land they wanted to buy, or was it assigned what he wanted to buy?
CR: I think when the railroad sold the land that they did not want then whatever you wanted. You had a choice to pick what you wanted.
EG: Is there anything else that you would like to add?
CR: I guess I could think of a lot of things, but I am not sure right now.
EG: We can come back.
CR: I could see if my brother Frank is at home now, it’s twenty minutes till twelve up there where he is, he may be back. Let me give him a call. If he’s in you may want to speak to him and set up a thing that….
EG: Yeah, I would like to but I don’t have the phone recording equipment and I would like to record when I talk to him. But I don’t have it with me.
EG: Right and maybe he can make some copies of pictures.
CR: He gave me a lot of people names of farmland that farmed land around here at one time. I mentioned about my father discontinuing with farming and about him being a educator. He went to Jackson State and finished at the top of his class and everything. He decided not to pursue but they wanted him to stay there and teach at Jackson College when he finished but he chose not to. To take care of the family farm. He did that until the mid 1950’s. Up until he decided not to continue the farm. The president of Coahoma Junior College, Mr. McLaurin, Mr. B.F. McLaurin, asked him to consider coming out to the college and teach. After some deliberation about it, he decided to go ahead and do it. He taught History – Western Civilization for a number of years. And the students that went through there, those that I ran across every now and then, would tell you that was the best teacher that they ever had. He didn’t use a book, or talk from lecture papers, he just talked about what he knew, but everything he talked about was in the book. And they really loved his class. And then later years at the college he became the registrar. He passed in 1971 he was the registrar at the college.
EG: You said we could go look ….?
CR: It is going to be different from what I told you about. I can tell you the boundaries, where it starts and where it ends. Where the Sherard’s lived.
EG: Thank you.
CR: I hope I was some help to you.
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