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Interviewed by Emily Weaver\u00a0 and Dr. Cameron McMillen<\/strong><\/p>\n

Transcribed by W. Ray <\/strong><\/p>\n

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EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This is Emily Weaver and I\u2019m here with Dr. Cameron McMillen and we are in Mrs. Ann Steen\u2019s home and we are conducting an oral history interview on the Historic Neighborhood Project.\u00a0 Mrs. Steen will you share with us all the information that you do know about this historic neighborhood \u2013<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And can remember.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And can remember.\u00a0 Willingly.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Anything I can remember I will share willingly.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, thank you.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have lived here 71 years. I was born down the street in what was then the old hospital on the corner of College and South Leflore.\u00a0 James Albert Wiggins lived there for a number of years.\u00a0 And I\u2019m not sure, I don\u2019t know who lives there now.\u00a0 But that\u2019s where I was born.\u00a0 \u201cHave you lived at any different addresses?\u201d\u00a0 Do you want to ask me or am I ready?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You can do it either way.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You ask me.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What other addresses have you lived here in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 One other.\u00a0 When I was born my family lived on what is now Cotton Row.\u00a0 Then my house, it was a boarding house and they called it the Floyd Hotel.\u00a0 And it burned in 1940.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was this?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know where the old funeral home \u2013 the Westerfield lot \u2013 all of that area was my great grandmother\u2019s.\u00a0 And she moved here from Clarksdale when her husband died.\u00a0 He was a farmer.\u00a0 She sold her land and moved down here.\u00a0 And of course this was a railroad town, but it was a boarding house.\u00a0 And I remember, I was in the house the night it burned, but I do remember things about the house.\u00a0 There was a very large living area, parlor or whatever, and the family lived in the homes on the side.\u00a0 And there was stairways that went to the second floor and then the back of that first floor was the dining room.\u00a0 And I was especially fond of the man, and tomorrow I can remember his name but can\u2019t right now.\u00a0 He lived in the front room and he took me every day to get ice cream at Ben\u2019s Drug Store.\u00a0 We\u2019d walk across and then we would always put a penny on the railroad track.\u00a0 Isn\u2019t it funny what you remember when you are four?\u00a0 And we would let the train smush the penny.\u00a0 And we had a collection of smushed pennies.\u00a0 And I remember the flavor and the smell of the grocery \u2013 I mean the drug store.\u00a0 It was wonderful.\u00a0 What else about that house?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And when did you move to this house?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When it \u2013 well, it burned as I said in 1940.\u00a0 And we lived down the street for several months in an apartment and then moved into this house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is the apartment still there?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The apartment is still there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was the address of the apartment, do you remember?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was the second house from the end, I don\u2019t know what it \u2013 right next to the Shoenholz\u2019s old house, and of course they haven\u2019t lived here in thirty years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is it beside Avo\u2019s house?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 That duplex next to Avo\u2019s house.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did your parents build this house?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 It was built long before \u201940.\u00a0 If I\u2019m not mistaken, Cully Roberts built this house.\u00a0 Now Taylor Roberts who is a pharmacist here is this man\u2019s grandson who built this house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And have you lived in the house\u2026?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Since then.\u00a0 Except during World War II when we went back and forth from my father\u2019s family was from Cleveland, Ohio.\u00a0 And we\u2019d go up there for a period of time and my grandmother decided the German\u2019s or somebody would bomb Cleveland because it was a city in Ohio, so we came back to Cleveland, Mississippi.\u00a0 (Inaudible) from Cleveland being from Ohio.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who were your neighbors when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Scott\u2019s lived on the south.\u00a0 He was a builder and he built that house.\u00a0 And really, when you look at that house, the windows and all are quite different and it hasn\u2019t been changed since the probably \u201840\u2019s or something like that.\u00a0 And Sarah Butler lived to the right.\u00a0 Her husband was, or had been a dentist, but he was dead when I remember her. And I spent many hours on her porch.\u00a0 She had one son who died.\u00a0 He had not been married long.\u00a0 And past that house was Charlie Capps\u2019 mother and daddy.\u00a0 And that\u2019s where June McClendon.\u00a0 And then two sets of apartments and and my best friend Martha Shoenholz lived in the next house.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you spell that last name?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 S-h-o-e-n-h-o-l-z.\u00a0 They owned a department store downtown that was bought by Jay\u2019s and now whatever is down there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay. Thank you.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My mother, before I was born, would you like to know a little bit about her?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know, I guess they lived in the hotel when she went to Cleveland High School.\u00a0 And she had a really good friend, Margaret, who lived where Cheryl Line lives right now.\u00a0 And they had behind their house, a peach orchard and watermelon.\u00a0 And their favorite thing to do was to tell Margaret that they couldn\u2019t go out that night so they could go steal watermelons.\u00a0 You know, of course they could have had them, but they thought that was exciting.\u00a0 They also had conga line downstairs \u2013 downtown when mother would have spend the night guests.\u00a0 And this would be like Mrs. Bacon and Margaret Capps and Margaret whoever her name is.\u00a0 They were all about the same age which would be in the hundreds now.\u00a0 And they would get caught by the police having conga line.\u00a0 And I can remember in high school when I would have a group spending the night, and we had a conga line down their street.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What is a conga line?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, you know how to do the conga don\u2019t you?\u00a0 Well, just a bunch of girls get in a line and go down the street \u2013 do-do-do-do-do kick!\u00a0\u00a0 You know, we would do it up and down the street.\u00a0 And my mother incensed that we would put out there in our pajamas at 1:00 doing the conga line.\u00a0 But my grandmother also lived here and she assured me that it was a lot better to do it on this street than downtown you know, so, we had a lot of interesting, you know\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah, a lot of fun!<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was fun.\u00a0 It was fun.\u00a0 This was a good neighborhood.\u00a0 The Cassibry\u2019s lived over there and the Kent\u2019s, he was a sheriff, Willie Earl and Miriam Kent lived there, it was not that house it burned, Teddy Kittle\u2019s house.\u00a0 And she used to take me when I was older to Denton\u2019s Dairy around the corner and I had ice cream and root beer.\u00a0 And that is just one of my favorite things still.\u00a0 And Patty Weinstein lived in what is now that little bungalow, (inaudible)\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 McCaleb\u2019s live there?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not the\u2026.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Laster\u2019s.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Laster\u2019s live.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mary McCaleb.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 But the McCaleb\u2019s lived there.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They \u2013 he redid it.\u00a0 She was a character also.\u00a0 It was just an interesting, a lot of fun people.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there any annual neighborhood activities or things that (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, that wasn\u2019t really an annual event.\u00a0 That was a one time happening.\u00a0 My grandmother was, grew up in prohibition days, so there was no alcohol allowed in our house except at Christmas. And her eggnog was, I couldn\u2019t drink it as long as she made it because it was so strong.\u00a0 And she made a rum cake that could walk out of the house.\u00a0 But that didn\u2019t seem to count on her.\u00a0 But every year she had a Eggnog Party and everyone in the neighborhood would come and then around.\u00a0 They may have had it a number of times, I don\u2019t know, but they had it in this house I know.\u00a0 No, we didn\u2019t have\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How long have you been having your Azalea Tea?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s a neighborhood tradition anyway.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well it is.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Especially a city (inaudible).<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably close to ten years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How did they start?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, Betty Simpson from Shaw and I just decided that we wanted to entertain but we didn\u2019t want to ask people.\u00a0 I just dislike lists.\u00a0 So we just decided that we would have a little tea.\u00a0 And we put a poster up outside and over a hundred people came.\u00a0 And so the next year, it was raining, a rainy week, and we changed it, changed the sign, we just scratched it out \u201cazalea tea\u201d and wrote \u201crainy day tea\u201d and thought we\u2019d have \u2013 and we had over a hundred people.\u00a0 So, you know, this year or last year, not this year, we had maybe less than a hundred, but Betty was sick and so I just had it and I didn\u2019t do a lot of talking about it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I missed your sign this year.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ve even driven down the street on purpose.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is always the week either before or after the Master\u2019s Golf Tournament.\u00a0 Because that is when the azalea\u2019s bloom.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was crushed when I (inaudible).<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well I was crushed when you didn\u2019t come.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was not because of a lack of (inaudible).\u00a0 Are there any traditions other than the Azalea Tea and any party that the neighborhood had or that you remember that Cleveland had?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember Cleveland\u2019s parade when I was young and all the flat bed trailers that, you know, would have the dancing classes, and the costumes and I can remember being exceedingly disappointed when I did not and my sister did get to be on one of those flatbeds you know.\u00a0 And I remember that Rufus, David Walt\u2019s grandfather, was always the Marshall of the parade.\u00a0 Fireworks at the 4th of July out on Delta State\u2019s football field.\u00a0 They always had that.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The old field?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The old field which is now\u2026.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now Keener Hall.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And my uncle always set off the alarm.\u00a0 He was also involved with the Mule Racing, I don\u2019t know why.\u00a0 They were \u2013 everybody did things then you know, it was not a\u2026What else do I (inaudible)?\u00a0 Saturday afternoon serials and westerns.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you go to the movie most Saturday afternoons?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We did.\u00a0 We did as a child.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And which theater did you go to?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Ellis Theater.\u00a0 Now there were three theaters in Cleveland.\u00a0 The Westco, the Regent and the Ellis.\u00a0 And there is a lot of dispute from people who lived back then as to which was the Westco and which was the Regent.\u00a0 They were both across the railroad track.\u00a0 The Ellis is where it is now. And of course when I grew up, Bob\u2019s Drive In in the \u201850\u2019s was right across from the theater.\u00a0 And it had, there was a routine for Friday nights.\u00a0 You circled Bob\u2019s, cruised I guess Court Street and drug Fifth Avenue.\u00a0 And you just went around and around.\u00a0 Of course, you were looking for people (inaudible).\u00a0 And then generally once you found them you landed at someone\u2019s home.\u00a0 And most every Friday night, according to age, there would be three or four homes open where you danced or played cards, but mainly danced.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there a particular home that you usually ended up at?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This was one of them.\u00a0 This was one of them.\u00a0 And the younger groups that \u2013 I\u2019m trying to think, maybe Harriett Redding was a year younger, and two years younger would have been Cheryl Line.\u00a0 I hate to say on tape that Cheryl Line was two years younger than I.\u00a0 But that\u2019s my mistake, anyway, we also had our churches were very ecumenical.\u00a0 A lot of times it was according to ages to.\u00a0 At my age we had a predominance of Methodists so a lot of other churches our age, young people would go to the MYF.\u00a0 And my friend Barbara Shoenholtz was always the Vice President which always kind of shocked her father, but she said she never made it to President because she was Jewish.\u00a0 But she was always the Vice President.\u00a0 So it was a really a neat, neat place for business like that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you have pictures?\u00a0 Any pictures of the others or associated with things that you did?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Somewhere.\u00a0 I just as soon not go over this on (inaudible). We went \u2013 the house burned up town.\u00a0 It was my great-grandmother\u2019s wedding present.\u00a0 My mother\u2019s, my aunts and uncles, so much of that was destroyed.\u00a0 So I am very fortunate to have some pictures of mother, the baby and all.\u00a0 Cut that off and I\u2019ll tell you (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Alright.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Alright, other things that happened back then, I talk today and back then and I\u2019m not real good with chronological.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s okay.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have another little thing that we do here on Christmas Eve.\u00a0 And I guess I\u2019ve been doing this for twenty years since my mother died.\u00a0 And that was \u2013 mama was such a part of our family Christmas and anyway, we just changed our Christmas.\u00a0 And I started having dinner for anyone.\u00a0 And we have sometimes forty or forty-five people who will come and eat dinner.\u00a0 And these are generally people whose families are elsewhere.\u00a0 It changes from year to year because someone may be here this year and not the next year.\u00a0 So this has been going on for about twenty years.\u00a0 So if ever you are by yourself on Christmas Eve, I\u2019ll take two or three, but I\u2019m not taking eight or ten people out of one family.\u00a0 I figure you got enough \u2013 cook your own turkey.\u00a0 And we do have a really good time.\u00a0 And then some people are always here.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You were very generous the first Christmas that I lived here on this street.\u00a0 You left me (inaudible) at my door and I didn\u2019t even know that (inaudible).<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I do that but I think I\u2019m through.\u00a0 I\u2019m almost seventy-one and I can\u2019t get every \u2013 I\u2019ve got to cut out some stuff.\u00a0 I can do Christmas Eve or the tea party but maybe cooking the turkey.\u00a0 But I do try to do for my neighbors.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thank you.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019ve talked about some of the things that you all do for fun.\u00a0 What about your drivers\u2019 license?\u00a0 When did you get your drivers\u2019 license?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fifteen.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really!<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 That was the \u2013 and you didn\u2019t an emergency type \u2013 everybody just got theirs.\u00a0 That was the law.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We got ours at fourteen in Arkansas.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you?\u00a0 Now that doesn\u2019t mean we started driving at fifteen.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible) drive?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 At least fourteen, maybe a little younger, because there weren\u2019t that many cars.\u00a0 And I tell you who tried to teach me to drive and she\u2019s someone you do need to talk, although she did not volunteer, she\u2019s from Greenville, is Jo Beth Janoush.\u00a0 A cousin of hers was a very good friend of mine and she said \u2013 I don\u2019t think she said intentionally tried to do her in \u2013 but she tried to teach us to drive out in the country and we came close to more than one ditch.\u00a0 But there wasn\u2019t much to do about driving.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember about the car, what kind of car it was?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well it was a shift.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On the column?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 It was this and I never did that without bucking very well you know. Then I guess it wasn\u2019t too long before we \u2013 of course our car had no air conditioning.\u00a0 And I can remember getting up about 4:30 or 5:00 in the morning and go to Memphis for the day.\u00a0 And we tried to go early.\u00a0 And of course the stores opened earlier.\u00a0 Probably 8:00 or whatever, so that you wouldn\u2019t get the sun.\u00a0 And then whoever piled in and went, if you would meet at the Peabody about the time that the ducks came out, because that was a good meeting place, and it was a good time and everybody could remember it.\u00a0 And then I can remember coming home and my grandmother was driving.\u00a0 She would put newspapers in the windows on the west side of the car \u2013 oh, I would hit the floor board, just too embarrassed.\u00a0 You know she was just trying to keep the sun out of the car.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you stop (inaudible) and go through (inaudible) and go through Temptation Alley?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Absolutely.\u00a0 But before we did that we parked in Desota, the Desota Garage.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Which one was the new garage?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Before they built the garage there. The big question was, \u201cDid you eat at (inaudible) and see the models or did you go to the Teacart, all the way down,\u2026.\u201d<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Gerber\u2019s.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And then they had the wonderful little tea room \u2013 tea shop around the corner.\u00a0 Do you get the dessert cart or do you get the models?\u00a0 Probably had to do with your age.\u00a0 When your young, always the Teacart.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible) when you had a party?\u00a0 Did everybody decorate?\u00a0 Did you do anything in the neighborhood?\u00a0 Was there a Christmas parade?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, there was always a Christmas parade.\u00a0 That was really big.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was it\u2019s route?\u00a0 Is it the same as it is now?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pretty much.\u00a0 Pretty much.\u00a0 It\u2019s always like come down Court and down College and down Main Street.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would it have come down here?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if it started and ended at the high school or the college?\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember.\u00a0 Because at that time I was not involved in setting it up.\u00a0 Later years of course, one organization or another would (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You talked about playing Bunko?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No!\u00a0 Bridge!<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On the front porch.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah, and reading Nancy Drew.\u00a0 And I tried to get my granddaughter a Nancy Drew and it just didn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Are you going to carry her to the movie?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes indeed.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can\u2019t decide whether (inaudible).<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no, he can.\u00a0 I can still see the light by her door and I hide it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, who taught you how to (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Everybody in town. We started bridge nine, ten, eleven, and the most important thing when we first started \u2013 you don\u2019t want all this stuff just tell me.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yes we do.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well the first three cards you turn them over and he was tall or short, the next card he was light or dark, and the third card he loved you, hated you, going to break your heart or give you a diamond.\u00a0 Now those were the most important things in playing Bridge for a long time.\u00a0 But you have to learn to play Bridge.\u00a0 My mother was quite an expert.\u00a0 And (inaudible) worked on us you know from day one.\u00a0 It was just the thing to do.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll play Bridge the whole year long or mostly summer?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mostly when we were that age, in the summer.\u00a0 But as we got older of course.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s a way for social interaction.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is and it\u2019s an excellent way.\u00a0 With just (inaudible) and then four clubs, one of the club\u2019s name is the pig \u2013 the (inaudible).\u00a0 We eat more than (inaudible).\u00a0 We eat more than we play that\u2019s why we called it the pig.\u00a0 And we spent all one night with light chocolate, or dark chocolate, or (inaudible).\u00a0 And most of them are not interested in Bridge as they are the food.\u00a0 None the less, we have a good time.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What other things would you have done out here on the front porch?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Watch for the boys to ride down the street.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On their bicycles?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was a little later, cars.\u00a0 Everything we did, just all the girl things.\u00a0 We had a lemon session one time.\u00a0 And I \u2013 it\u2019s not a good thing to do.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What\u2019s a lemon session?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well when Pat McCaleb still lived here for part of this.\u00a0 Barbara Shoenholtz was part of this.\u00a0 I can\u2019t remember but four.\u00a0 But you would tell things about the other person that they needed to do something about.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ohhhh.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I wore glasses and they said I didn\u2019t look good in glasses.\u00a0 Now what was I supposed to do about that?\u00a0 There were no contacts you know.\u00a0 Walk into doors \u2013 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 Fail in school?\u00a0 We were in seventh grade and it was my good friends.\u00a0 And I remember that.\u00a0 We had lots of little spend the night parties and \u2026.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Over here?\u00a0 Would most of them come to your house?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, we went around.\u00a0 But we did.\u00a0 My parents were very good about opening the house and I tried to do the same thing when my children came along.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is the house \u2013 I know you\u2019ve added a room on the back and one on the side, but is it primarily pretty much like it was when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Structurally it is.\u00a0 It is.\u00a0 So the big living room was a wonderful place to roll the rug up and down.\u00a0 And also to put sleeping bags down and sleep.\u00a0 The den was not there then.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you have slept out here in the sun room?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no, no, no.\u00a0 It was not air conditioned.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I mean, you\u2019d catch a breeze.\u00a0 Was the house air conditioned when ya\u2019ll moved in?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, I\u2019m sure not.\u00a0 In the \u201840\u2019s we had ceiling fans, attic fans.\u00a0 I can remember in one room, and I mean it sounded like a train was coming through but it did cool you off.\u00a0 Then we, I guess the first air conditioners were window air conditioners.\u00a0 And I still like those because they make a wonderful noise and they block out all the lights and sleep forever, which we did.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there sometimes you avoided somebody that you knew weren\u2019t supposed to walk in their yard?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We made up a lady, she didn\u2019t really care.\u00a0 I mean you hear about type of things and you tried to find a \u2013 she really was a nice lady and we just did that. We- let me see, I was trying to be a little more organized.\u00a0 The things that I remember about church.\u00a0 We had the most wonderful thing in the summer, which was, two weeks in the summer students would come from Milsaps or somewhere and for two weeks they would \u2013 we would have programs and they would plan our schedules and we would have skits and we would go to Delta State to swim and have watermelon.\u00a0 It was a wonderful two weeks.\u00a0 And this again was ecumenical you know and it was really, really good.\u00a0 I remember the first funeral I went to in a church.\u00a0 And it was so hot.\u00a0 And I can remember the fans, the funeral homes provided fans.\u00a0 I can remember Mrs. Walt, David\u2019s great aunt, who taught me the books of the Bible in the third grade.\u00a0 Our church was a very, very important social place for us.\u00a0 There were no teen clubs, there was one picture show.\u00a0 There were no TV\u2019s.\u00a0 And if you had a TV it was snow, and wrestling, none of which interested us much.\u00a0 And so our church and our school, the park, Fireman\u2019s Park, we would go over there and square dance some.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you ever go to Rosedale for their dances?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh always (inaudible) but that\u2019s high school, and I was thinking younger then.\u00a0 This was before we had cars.\u00a0 This was before we could \u2013 of course, nobody had a car.\u00a0 The family car.\u00a0 But I had one friend who lived in the country and so \u2013 her name was Lucille Redmilsaps.\u00a0 And her parents, instead of driving her back and forth Sunday night to church and to school, she had a car.\u00a0 And if we didn\u2019t think we were the cat\u2019s meow.\u00a0 You know, that was great.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know in this house it was Tyler Poole\u2019s house.\u00a0 Was there a pool there when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 My cousin lived around the corner where the Baptist minister lives.\u00a0 That was her house.\u00a0 And she bought that corner lot and two houses and tore them down and built the Poole House and the pool about the time we came out of, came from graduate school.\u00a0 Because my children were little and that\u2019s where Ashley, my daughter, – I cannot swim, and I was in the pool with her \u2013 shallow end, age two, and she got out and ran around to the deep end and she swam to the side.\u00a0 And this is, you know, anyway, that\u2019s the story of that house, the Poole House.\u00a0 And then it divided, the property divided after she died.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there many fences, or did most of the yards flow into each other?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We used to walk the fence.\u00a0 There was a fence that ran between the houses on North Bolivar and North Leflore, I don\u2019t know why.\u00a0 And it was just great fun, because you could walk that fence.\u00a0 I mean nobody cared.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t to keep people out so much.\u00a0 There weren\u2019t dividers on \u2013 I don\u2019t know why there was a long fence.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Wood fence or\u2026?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A wood fence.\u00a0 It was a grass stained wall.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What did you think about growing up in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I loved it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you think you\u2019d always live in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably.\u00a0 I was not a very aggressive person.\u00a0 I was not a very secure person back in those days.\u00a0 And I was comfortable here.\u00a0 I lived a couple of years in Clarksdale in school.\u00a0 That was safe.\u00a0 I mean I didn\u2019t stay up there except during the school year.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What do you think makes Cleveland a special place to live and raise a family?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think it is more urban in some ways because of Delta State.\u00a0 We always had people coming and going from Delta State.\u00a0 And that brought in people that were from different cultures.\u00a0 And even if it was just Pennsylvania, it still kept people coming and going and I think that we are a lot less in restrictive in Cleveland, than say Clarksdale, Greenville, or Greenwood.\u00a0 And we had a warm society I think, or I felt.\u00a0 Now on the flip side, I think the Mississippi Delta can be a very difficult place to grow up.\u00a0 There is this unwritten culture type \u2013 the Delta.\u00a0 Even in the dictionary the Delta is designated as this area of Mississippi, instead of the Delta \u2013 the river.\u00a0 And although our area during the Civil War had very little, I mean it was mosquito ridden, and the river of course has always had, but a lot of this was not here.\u00a0 There were no antebellum homes in this part of the Delta.\u00a0 But none the lot, there is a mystique and it has been furthered and sometimes when you are young and you are growing up in that, you have that feeling of not belonging.\u00a0 You know it\u2019s tough.\u00a0 Where did you grow up?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Greenville.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it can be tough and this was even true when my children came along.\u00a0 And as hard as we try not to make it that way, and I hope that sometimes we are even aware \u2013 I do like the Delta you know, and I like to say, \u201cI\u2019m from the Delta.\u201d\u00a0 Although there are a lot of bad things about it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You survived the Delta.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I survived the Delta.\u00a0 And we read things when we\u2019re young that are not true you know.\u00a0 All the insecurity.\u00a0 I think there was some difficulty.\u00a0 Not everyone agrees with me on this, but I think too I can remember making a point, and I don\u2019t know if this is good or not for tape, sitting on (inaudible) church steps in (inaudible).\u00a0 Slanted.\u00a0 And crying.\u00a0 I have no idea what made me cry.\u00a0 But I can remember being in high school and thinking, \u201cI\u2019ll not forget this.\u00a0 This is pain.\u00a0 And everybody says this is not history.\u00a0 It\u2019s not important.\u201d\u00a0 But it was important.\u00a0 (inaudible) so I remember high school students and I have a special attachment for them, because this is a hard time in their lives.\u00a0 Even though we came and went (inaudible).\u00a0 There\u2019s still those (inaudible) for young people.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I agree.\u00a0 You know what you\u2019re talking about.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What kind of rules did you have to abide by?\u00a0 Did you have to be in any certain time, or restrictions on what part of town you could go to?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 For me personally?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was jealous of my friend Pat McCaleb because her mother put restrictions on her.\u00a0 Mama really never said anything to me.\u00a0 I made up my own restrictions.\u00a0 I would say, \u201cMy mother said I had to be in by 10:00.\u201d\u00a0 Now of course if you had a date you\u2019d say, \u201cMy mama said I had to be in by 9:00.\u201d\u00a0 I mean, a little more restrictions than I had as a child, but I didn\u2019t ever do anything.\u00a0 I mean, there was no reason.\u00a0 I went nowhere.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t go.\u00a0 The worst thing we did was if you went to the grocery store to pick up a loaf of bread \u2013 even Mr. White which was where, going up North Bayou it\u2019s right there on the corner.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pic-a-Bit?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That Pic-a-Bit was Mr. White\u2019s grocery store.\u00a0 My grandmother had a running battle with Mr. White, the butcher, because she always wanted him to grind her meat there with her watching.\u00a0 But he would say, \u201cBut I just ground it.\u201d\u00a0 And she would \u2013 it was just pitiful.\u00a0 But anyway, if we went there to pick up a loaf of bread, I had to pick up five people and it would take me an hour and a half to go up to Mr. White\u2019s.\u00a0 And I would get chewed out every time about that.\u00a0 And the next time I\u2019d say, \u201cOh I promise I\u2019ll never do it again.\u201d\u00a0 But as far as saying I can\u2019t go here or to be in, my grades were good.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t drink, we didn\u2019t smoke, we didn\u2019t do anything, but have a congo line down the street.\u00a0 I mean, we really were not (inaudible) and we didn\u2019t do anything.\u00a0 Danced a lot in the streets.\u00a0 We would be riding along and Randy\u2019s Record Shop \u2013 listened to it out of Nashville.\u00a0 A song would come on and everybody would do just as they did \u2013 stop the car and we would get outside and dance in the street and hop back in.\u00a0\u00a0 We did it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You\u2019re kidding!<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no, I\u2019m not.\u00a0 And it was, you know, that was\u2026.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it paved streets?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, just like\u2026um hmm.\u00a0 There were not a lot of cars.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And nobody would run you over.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Cause they were stopped too.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably.\u00a0 There just weren\u2019t that many cars.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember any stories about particular homes in the neighborhood.\u00a0 The neighborhood that we are looking at is Pearman, Bolivar, Leflore and Victoria.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I know that\u2019s a wide neighborhood.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, on Pearman was the American Legion Hut and that\u2019s where dances were held.\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you would go to dances there?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not really.\u00a0 By that time \u2013 I did as a young girl, but my sister who was going to the dance and a friend of mine, dressed in long dresses, but we weren\u2019t there and my friend \u2013 somebody walked along beside me saying, \u201cOh Ann, your dress is so pretty.\u201d\u00a0 And it was.\u00a0 I could have shot her you know.\u00a0 But there were dances there.\u00a0 And the swimming pool and the ice cream bars.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did that close?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I\u2019m not a swimmer so I would go but I never \u2013 they had a slide and I can\u2019t imagine getting on a slide and sliding into a swimming pool.\u00a0 So I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 Elections were wonderful.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Bolivar Commercial was down from Denton\u2019s, towards Court Street.\u00a0 And they had a great big chalk board outside on the window and they kept the tallies on there and you could see it.\u00a0 Across the street from the courthouse was a funeral home, that later became the health department.\u00a0 Below the funeral home there was a fig tree and we would sit in the fig tree and eat figs and watch and listen to what speakers (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you all campaign?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I campaigned when Kent.\u00a0 I handed out cards and got $5.00.\u00a0 I would have done it for nothing because he was a neighbor but he gave us $5.00.\u00a0 I had an awareness of politics and there was a lot of political talk in those days.\u00a0 But I never got involved in it at that time. I mean, you know, except for high school.\u00a0 But it was a lot of people came and there was a lot of activity and we thought it was just wonderful.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you go to the Keen Freeze?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 Bob\u2019s Drive In was really our hang out through high school.\u00a0 But the Keen Freeze came along about that time.\u00a0 Bob\u2019s Drive In was great.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard their hamburgers (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Keen Freeze.\u00a0 They were all good.\u00a0 (inaudible).\u00a0 Real.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you park at Bob\u2019s Drive In and go in or did (inaudible).<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019d go in \u2013 again before we were driving much and we would go to the Friday nights show also a lot when it was not football season or basketball season or something like that.\u00a0 And we would go in and sit at a booth and I can well remember the boys would sit at the counter and turn around and watch \u2013 which meant of course that you didn\u2019t eat your hamburger.\u00a0 And they delighted in type of \u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you walk to school?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 I did but my children didn\u2019t but I always managed for someone to pick them up, right up the street.\u00a0 School was Rally Day.\u00a0 There was so much going on at school.\u00a0 Choral Festivals, Y Teen (inaudible), \u2026.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 May Day?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had Rally Day, we didn\u2019t have May Day or whatever.\u00a0 And the whole school when you were in the seventh grade.\u00a0 When you were in the seventh grade and you were put in group one, two, three, or four, and you stayed there six years.\u00a0 So it became very intense and I will tell you on tape that Group Three was the best without a doubt.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Which group were you in?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Weeelll.\u00a0 And Group Two was the worst.\u00a0 That was the one that my sister was in.\u00a0 But you had two days, the first day you had whatever, you had speeches, declamations, ensembles, sextets, quartets, and things like that went on all that day.\u00a0 The next day in the morning you had skits, big skits.\u00a0 Everybody was dressed in costumes, and you had cheerleaders, and a skit that went on.\u00a0 We were envious and Columbia, the Gem of the Ocean was always played by our band, Group Three.\u00a0 And that was all morning and all afternoon you had track events.\u00a0 Just like a track meet.\u00a0 So for one and a half days the whole school was out doing this and it was \u2013 I thought it was great.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What would you do for Halloween?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A carnival.\u00a0 I don\u2019t ever remember a trick or treater.\u00a0 We had a carnival.\u00a0 And you are going to interview Donna McCaleb?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And her mother, Ruby McClellan, her father was also a sheriff here. \u00a0Was always the fortune teller.\u00a0 And she would put on gobs of beads and do her face and tell fortunes.\u00a0 And she was one of my favorite people in the whole world.\u00a0 She made aprons for us.\u00a0 She was a wonderful person.\u00a0 She was one of mama\u2019s card players.\u00a0 That was Halloween.\u00a0 And that\u2019s all I remember about Halloween.\u00a0 We had kings and queens and stuff like that.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Speaking of, weren\u2019t you a queen?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Of what?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Junior Auxiliary?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 That\u2019s way later than this neighborhood.\u00a0 Our neighborhood, I\u2019m trying to remember flags out here (inaudible) in fact this whole street.\u00a0 This whole area was once called the (inaudible) District.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really!\u00a0 Why?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well it wasn\u2019t because we were living here.\u00a0 (inaudible) affluent people up and down, that part of Court Street.\u00a0 The Cassibry\u2019s and people like that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the houses where the playground is now at the Methodist Church?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Leon Kamien lived there.\u00a0 I played many a Bridge game there and went to many of, after I was married, many a day party.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about the vacant lot that sits on the other side of where the Baptist minister lives now?\u00a0 Was there a house there?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, there was. And the Perry\u2019s lived there I believe.\u00a0 He had some office in the county, I don\u2019t know what it was.\u00a0 But they lived there.\u00a0 And then around the corner, the Bradford\u2019s lived where JoBeth Janoush lives.\u00a0 And Roberta Wiggins lived across the street where your preacher lives.\u00a0 And she was Roberta Smith.\u00a0 Smith being an old family.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is that the Smith that started Cleveland do you think, that family?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I didn\u2019t know they started Cleveland but she would say they did.\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 And then Margaret Capps lived when she was young, I can\u2019t think of her maiden name and I should, where, it may be where the Jeffrey\u2019s live now.\u00a0 That house that was redone?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With the blue porch?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Does it have a blue porch?\u00a0 It\u2019s a white house.\u00a0 Lee Speakes, if I\u2019m not mistaken.\u00a0 Anyway, a lot of old families lived on that street and it has changed a lot.\u00a0 As has this one.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did Mrs. Avo always have that car?<\/p>\n

Side B<\/em><\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where the law office is?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But before the beauty parlor was there, that was just a blank field and there was a house there, but I don\u2019t think Avo lived there.\u00a0 I may be wrong.\u00a0 I know that our coach, Billy Marsten, and his family lived there at one time.\u00a0 The beauty parlor was on North Bolivar then and they had a monkey.\u00a0 The name of it was Modern Beauty Parlor.\u00a0 Had a monkey.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It had a monkey?\u00a0 A real live..<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Russell owned it and why I do not know.\u00a0 Ya\u2019ll surely remember all the old permanents when they burned your scalp.\u00a0 But that lot was vacant and it had a few trees, but not many.\u00a0 And that\u2019s where the Pep Squad practiced.\u00a0 And the high school, across the street there was a teacherage, a little red house that some of the unmarried teachers lived in.\u00a0 And then the principal, the Superintendent of Schools lived on the corner where Margaret Green is now.\u00a0 All that was there.\u00a0 But Coach Wade was the Pep Squad leader.\u00a0 And Margaret Wade.\u00a0 As well as our Basketball Coach.\u00a0 And if you would like to know my personal basketball career, I played in one game and there were two sets of uniforms, and then three uniforms that didn\u2019t belong to anything.\u00a0 I got one of those.\u00a0 And we played in Indianola.\u00a0 Well they played here and we were winning 100 to nothing so she let me go in and I made three fouls in five minutes.\u00a0 That was the end of my career.\u00a0 The next year I broke my nose during class games and I managed from then on and kept the score, because you had to be involved in basketball.\u00a0 Girl\u2019s Basketball in this town was it.\u00a0 Well, I was not a basketball player.\u00a0 In fact, when my children were in junior high and the parents were playing the teachers, I could do all the figure 8\u2019s and all the little things that she taught me o do.\u00a0 I just couldn\u2019t play basketball.\u00a0 And Coach Wade came to watch us and I came out for practice.\u00a0 And I lasted two minutes in the game and then I went over and sat with her.\u00a0 And she said, \u201cAnn, I looked at you coming out and I thought, well why didn\u2019t she ever play?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cIt didn\u2019t take me long to remember.\u201d\u00a0 Well I was a Pep Squad leader and I decided not to wear those glasses that everybody thought I didn\u2019t look too good in them, and we went to Charleston or Tallahatchie County or somewhere and I led my fifty girls to the wrong side \u2013 I couldn\u2019t read the 40 yard line or the 50.\u00a0 I took them to the wrong place.\u00a0 Well I lived in fear and trembling for 48 hours until Monday morning.\u00a0 First thing I had the message, to come in to Lily Margaret Wade\u2019s office.\u00a0 And I thought, \u201cWell my dead body, you know they can just raise it on the flagpole if they want to.\u201d\u00a0 And I always wore glasses after that.\u00a0 I never tried to be cute.\u00a0 So\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s better to see.\u00a0 Stay alive.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is.\u00a0 That\u2019s correct.\u00a0 Cause I was as near dead as ever.\u00a0 But I especially, I just liked high school.\u00a0 We had sock hops after every football game.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh fun.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And there was no such thing as David dancing and it just appalled me when I started chaperoning.\u00a0 Which I did too much when my children were in school.\u00a0 My son told me after he was in college that it would have nice if he could have gone to one dance in high school when I was not chaperoning.\u00a0 But anyway.\u00a0 If you danced two dances with the same person you felt like you were a wallflower.\u00a0 It was terrible.\u00a0 You\u2019d start perspiring and think, \u201cOh, can I get someone to come over you know and break?\u201d\u00a0 You never danced with the same person.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it\u2019s not quite as entertaining as it is now.\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 No they\u2019re no fun.\u00a0 We had the Redtops all the time and fun.\u00a0 It was good. All the things about high school.\u00a0 I told you about church.\u00a0 High school.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, when did you meet Dr. Steen? \u00a0Is that okay to ask?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, he is four years and four days younger than I.\u00a0 And don\u2019t think at first \u2013 well that didn\u2019t bother him at all but now he\u2019s enjoying this to the utmost.\u00a0 Since I\u2019m seventy and he\u2019s sixty-six.\u00a0 I had called a friend\u2019s house.\u00a0 A friend called and asked me if I would come over and teach a new fellow that they had met how to play Bridge, and the four of us would play, and I said, \u201cYes.\u201d\u00a0 I\u2019ll call you back in just a minute.\u00a0 So when I called back I didn\u2019t pay any attention to who answered the phone so I did my normal little flirt bit or whatever, and it was Jim.\u00a0 And he was the person I was supposed to go teach, so I did.\u00a0 And this was during Christmas holidays.\u00a0 Then I saw him at the Rosedale dance that same Christmas and he asked me for a date.\u00a0 And we married the next Christmas.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And when was that \u2013 what year?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nineteen Sixty.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What day in December?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Eighteenth.\u00a0 Which was just ghastly.\u00a0 Why I would do that to my mother I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 But you know\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible got married on the 18th, and I got married on the 28th which is maybe marginally better, but maybe not.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, that\u2019s just a terrible thing to do.\u00a0 But you never think about your parents when your trying to get married.\u00a0 They had moved here seven years before that.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh so he was a local boy.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, he doesn\u2019t call himself a local boy because he has only lived here forty-something years.\u00a0 That\u2019s not long enough.\u00a0 Almost fifty now.\u00a0\u00a0 But when we gather and friends come from high school, and we pull out the old annuals, one night several years ago, we were seated on Barbara Shoenholtz\u2019s front porch.\u00a0 Five or ten years ago.\u00a0 And Ed and Kitty Kossman, Cheryl Line, Barbara, Jim and I were seated.\u00a0 We went all the way through the annual.\u00a0 We started again.\u00a0 And when we started the second time, just in unison, Kitty and Jim popped up and said, \u201cWe have done this once.\u00a0 We are not going through it again.\u201d\u00a0 And they left and went home.\u00a0 So he doesn\u2019t real feel he is from Cleveland because \u2026.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Had he already finished high school when he lived here?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He was off in school.\u00a0 He went to a military school.\u00a0 He was in the ninth or tenth grade when he moved here.\u00a0 But he never went to school here, except at Delta State.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember anything in particular, you told us about the Methodist Church, do you remember anything about the other churches in this neighborhood?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The next church that we would spend the most time in was the First Presbyterian which was down the street.\u00a0 But no, I don\u2019t remember very much your church.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All the church\u2019s were on that street then weren\u2019t they?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And I don\u2019t remember a whole lot about the Baptist Church.\u00a0 Mainly the Methodist and the Presbyterian.\u00a0 I think the class under us primarily went to the Presbyterian.\u00a0 So that\u2019s probably why \u2013 it was (inaudible) \u2013 having lived here always we \u2013 our friendships did spread the grades, but not as much when we were younger as when we got older.\u00a0 And I had special \u2013 and I love to say this on tape \u2013 difficulty with Cheryl Line.\u00a0 You wouldn\u2019t know the others. Jane Horn Turner, Barbara Muller.\u00a0 They were two years younger and I had my drivers\u2019 license two years before they did.\u00a0 And Sara Lee would call me and say, \u201cAnn wouldn\u2019t you like to take the girls riding this afternoon?\u201d\u00a0 What do you say?\u00a0 You know, I would have loved to say, \u201cNo, I do not want to take the girls riding this afternoon.\u201d\u00a0 But of course I said, \u201cYes.\u201d\u00a0 And I would drive them around.\u00a0 And I had, you know, those little people.\u00a0 But Cleveland was that way.\u00a0 People would call and say you know, will you do this, or take these, and that is they watched out for the other.\u00a0 This part is good.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have heard of flooding in this area?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did it always flood bad down through here?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 And mine still does.\u00a0 But that\u2019s because the gutter is right there and one night twenty years ago, it was raining and my children stopped the gutter up so that they could ride their bicycles in flooded streets.\u00a0 And that night there was a ballgame at Delta State and we had an ice storm.\u00a0 And the whole thing, it all froze.\u00a0 It did.\u00a0 And the power went out and people \u2013 you know.\u00a0 But anyway, we had a party that night.\u00a0 And all those people that came in the rain went out in the ice.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was worse on Second and Third.\u00a0 There were times that they have had flat bottom boats out in that area.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can\u2019t imagine.\u00a0\u00a0 So you remember those houses being built, or were they already built?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were already there.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And I can remember, it\u2019s the house where Ben Griffith lives now, was the Kossman house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where is that?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On the corner of Maple, is that Maple, and Second over by the Park.\u00a0 It\u2019s a big white house.\u00a0 You know where Weegie Walker lives?\u00a0 Do you know where (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Maple runs beside the park.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Parallel to Court.\u00a0 It\u2019s the first street over and it\u2019s a big white house. I think it\u2019s still white.\u00a0 And they have this beautiful drive now with the Crepe Myrtles around the drive and all.\u00a0 But when we moved back I can remember Ed calling Jim to come and they helped sandbag, put sandbags around his daddy\u2019s house because when motorists would come, the water was so high it would get in the house.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that\u2019s forty years ago.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have they built it up?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh they have.\u00a0 That\u2019s all been corrected.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember people living in that big brick house across from the Methodist Church?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 The Dakin\u2019s.\u00a0 Mrs. Dakin\u2019s.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you ever go there?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, I can remember going to Thoma\u2019s.\u00a0 Thoma was living there when I \u2013 Thomas was her name.\u00a0 I can remember going to some little coke parties there and various things.\u00a0 She didn\u2019t have anyone my age, but maybe visitors in town.\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And what they called the Carriage House behind it, which was never a Carriage House, according to Roberta, the Noel Pace\u2019s lived there.\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 There used to be put-put golf when I was in high school where the library is now.\u00a0 And next to it was some homes.\u00a0 You are straining my brain.\u00a0 Margaret Norman.\u00a0 The Norman\u2019s lived in a great big house back there and I can remember Sissy who went to Wellsy and we thought she was just something grand.\u00a0 We would ride horses around there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh wow.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when Cleveland had, there was a professional ball team in Cleveland, which was a Class D.\u00a0 Wouldn\u2019t that now be like a Class Double A and they had ball down at Boyle?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Skene.\u00a0 My daddy played.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the name of the team?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I do not.\u00a0 My father played for the Chicks and for Greenwood and he played in the Cotton League.\u00a0 And that\u2019s how he came down south and met my mother, was he came down to play ball.\u00a0 I do, I do, and I have some articles that were given to me about that team.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about, a couple of people have mentioned help that lived in the house with them.\u00a0 Did you ever have a maid or anything?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That lived in the house?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Lived in the house or would come on a regular basis and watch the children.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 Unfortunately, yes, I mean, oh yes, always.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was a normal thing to do?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes everyone had help.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember growing up with one or was that (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Very briefly did I employ one.\u00a0 But always, always.\u00a0 We never had a washing machine.\u00a0 The clothes were packed to a wash lady.\u00a0 And she washed them and starched them, even all those horrendous petticoats that I had and all those full \u2013 and ironed them.\u00a0 We never had a washing machine and we never, ever, mama never did, as long as she lived.\u00a0 Everything went to the laundry after that.\u00a0 I mean, you know.\u00a0 Once you didn\u2019t have that anymore.\u00a0 I remember going to the country to get buttermilk and fresh butter.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you have had a garden here?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes she did.\u00a0 In fact my grandmother had chickens in the backyard at one time.\u00a0 She would wring her chicken\u2019s necks.\u00a0 An excellent cook and a feisty lady.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 To wring a chicken\u2019s neck I think you\u2019d definitely have to have a personality.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, well I don\u2019t.\u00a0 And unfortunately I do not have help well.\u00a0 I do not do that well.\u00a0 So when I got married I took one day a week maybe, mama\u2019s help. And I found out, I can\u2019t remember what they were paying them, this really shouldn\u2019t go on anybody\u2019s tape, but it was $3.00 a day, $4.00.<\/p>\n

JS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hi, how are ya\u2019ll?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well hi.\u00a0 Good to see you.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know Emily and you know Cam, whom I call Edie.\u00a0 I\u2019m being interviewed.\u00a0 Do you want to be interviewed about Cleveland?<\/p>\n

JS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I don\u2019t know anything about Cleveland.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 See, I told you.\u00a0 He\u2019s only lived here fifty years.\u00a0 He does not feel that he is a part.\u00a0 I\u2019m serious.\u00a0 And so, I paid her more and so I got into serious trouble.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you didn\u2019t have any help after that?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I grew up.\u00a0 It was a difficult time.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t understand a lot.\u00a0 Still don\u2019t understand a lot.\u00a0 Got sent away from the dinner table most every Sunday.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 For speaking out or questions.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 For questioning the social morays of the day.\u00a0 And I can understand a lot of those, but I can\u2019t understand church, having closed doors.\u00a0 And I had to come to realize that people my mother\u2019s age, my grandmother\u2019s age.\u00a0 Her mother in law lived through the Civil War.\u00a0 I mean, they, I think perhaps, I told someone the other day, the man that I never knew, that I admire more than anybody I have ever known was Hodding Carter.\u00a0 Because he had the testimonial fortitude to stand for what he believed was totally unacceptable.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Very unpopular.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Very unpopular.\u00a0 But I only spoke in my dining room and got sent out.\u00a0 But they couldn\u2019t help a lot of it.\u00a0 They just couldn\u2019t help a lot of it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 Well done.\u00a0 Cam, are any other\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think we\u2019ve asked most of the questions, do you have anything else?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 We\u2019ve come through the questions.\u00a0 How do you feel?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Like I have been rambling.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that\u2019s exactly what we want.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I wish I could remember some \u2013 and I will, I\u2019ll go to bed tonight and at 3:00 this morning I\u2019ll think of something.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Shall we leave this?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 I have an allergy to them.\u00a0 I love Cleveland.\u00a0 I think that there\u2019s an opportunity in a small town that you don\u2019t have in a large city to actually be a part of things that go on.\u00a0 But you\u2019re in high school or wherever your little niche is, you know I think you can do, and I think you come in contact with people in your neighborhood.\u00a0 Love my neighborhood.\u00a0 I love my neighborhood.\u00a0 I love my new neighbors.\u00a0 I think Mary McKay and Aaron are wonderful, you know?\u00a0 I have a neighbor next door who has finally I think decided that I am okay.\u00a0 And we carry on fun conversations outside.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s important to know your neighbors.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is important to know your neighbors.\u00a0 And it\u2019s a good feeling to know that they\u2019re \u2013 and I really miss them, my next door neighbor.\u00a0 I\u2019m really going to miss Jean.\u00a0 But she\u2019s going to a good place and she\u2019s going to some good neighbors.\u00a0 I can\u2019t think of anything else, Pearman and Bolivar.\u00a0 I can remember on Pearman.\u00a0 It is now Mimi Dossett\u2019s house.\u00a0 When I was young, that belonged to the House\u2019s.\u00a0 They were originally from Rosedale.\u00a0 And my sister\u2019s very good friend lived there.\u00a0 My sister is four years older than I so you know I was always, if she had to take me somewhere, it was not willingly.\u00a0 And I always got the least favorable position on anything we did.\u00a0 And their favorite thing to do was to dress up.\u00a0 And I was always the maid. I was never allowed to put on one of the pretty long dresses that they had.\u00a0 I was always the maid. You know \u2013 but it was good.\u00a0 You could ride your bicycle all over Cleveland.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And would you be allowed to just ride all over town?<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Anywhere I wanted to go.\u00a0 There were lines that were drawn that were not spoken.\u00a0 I had no reason to ride past downtown.\u00a0 But when I got holder of course, I picked up the maid.\u00a0 I mean, you know. I never rode over there.\u00a0 But I probably would have been as safe as I would have been over here, but I had no reason to go over there.\u00a0 I went to someone\u2019s house you know.\u00a0 (inaudible).\u00a0 I think we have improved.\u00a0 I think there\u2019s a lot of progress that has been made and I think our little town has survived and worked toward working together.\u00a0 I think that there is an effort that has been made.\u00a0 I hope so.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well thank you very much and we will end this now.<\/p>\n

AS:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you like coffee, tea?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We can take the pictures.<\/p>\n

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