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Interviewer:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Emily Weaver and Dr. Cameron McMillan<\/strong><\/p>\n

Transcription Date:\u00a0 9\/18\/07<\/strong><\/p>\n

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EW: \u00a0This is Emily Weaver and I am with Dr. Cameron McMillan and Mrs. Shaman, at her home.\u00a0 And we will be discussing the historic neighborhood in Cleveland.\u00a0 Do you willingly participate in this oral history project?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Thank you<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Thank you so much.\u00a0 And Molly, how long have you lived in this house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Since 1979<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 1979.\u00a0 And what changes have you made to the house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh, quite a few actually.\u00a0 When we moved in, it was four apartments.\u00a0 There was a wall between the foyer and this living room.\u00a0 We took it out, and just did a partial.\u00a0 We made renovations in the kitchen; and made it into a kitchen and a laundry room.\u00a0 We expanded the porch very slightly, out toward the street.\u00a0 Upstairs, they had two apartments, and they had closets out in the central hall.\u00a0 We took those out, because you had to go into one bedroom to get to the other bedroom.\u00a0 So now the access is from the hall to all four bedrooms.\u00a0 We did four bathrooms, three for the bed and breakfast and another one down here.\u00a0 We did some renovations on the back porch, but the porch was here and it\u2019s the same size.\u00a0 But it\u2019s a little different materials.\u00a0 And we updated where we could.\u00a0 I think that\u2019s about\u2026 Oh, we added a studio on the back for Floyd and then an annex to that.\u00a0 Those were not here.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 When did you start having bed and breakfast?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 1996, in June<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Do you know the history of the house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 I know a very little bit.\u00a0 They say that there\u2019s a little bit of it in Linton Weeks\u2019s Cleveland Centennial History.\u00a0 So there\u2019s some information there.\u00a0 They said that A.C. and Kate Burford Ray, who are Ben Bailey\u2019s great-grandparents; and Ben Bailey lives here, or used to.\u00a0 I think he worked for Sanders, Steve maybe. The house was built before 1905.\u00a0 I found records in the courthouse, but I don\u2019t know exactly when.\u00a0 His grandmother\u2019s brother and sister, Mitty and Kitch, lived here.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Did Ben Bailey live here?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 No, he did not. And this was, at one time, Ms. Mitty Ray\u2019s boarding house.\u00a0 So we\u2019re, just sort of taking it back to\u2026 And they said in 1921, I think they had up to 30 guests.\u00a0 Now I don\u2019t know if that would have been at one time.\u00a0 I would think over the course of the year maybe, but\u2026 that\u2019s when they moved.\u00a0 The Ray family came from Tate County in 1912 and bought this house.\u00a0 So before that, I really don\u2019t\u2026 You know, I guess\u2026 It\u2019s a little confusing.\u00a0 And I\u2019m not sure.\u00a0 And I never got back over to the courthouse to really pin it down.\u00a0 But I was trying to think what year it showed up on fire records, you know at the library on those\u2026 they\u2019ll show the aerial view of all the houses on the street.\u00a0 We redid the front room, foyer, living room and kitchen.\u00a0 Windows are the same size, but replaced for the most part because the old glass was fragile (we repaired windows for many years \u2013 originally we re-puttied all the downstairs windows and because of rotting wood of frames and sills.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Is there some original architecture of the house still around?\u00a0 Is some of the original architecture still here?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Are big footed tubs considered \u201carchitecture?\u201d\u00a0 Anyway, there were 3.\u00a0 Two standard sizes which we still use and one smaller which we removed.\u00a0 \u00a0The hall shows more original construction under old wallpaper it is boards.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 It looks like around the doors, perhaps.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Not these, but those with the bull\u2019s eye.\u00a0 And that was typical around the house.\u00a0 And for the most part, it still is.\u00a0 We kept the original door facings and original windows in the dining room.\u00a0 Original bathtubs downstairs and cowboy bath both were repainted.\u00a0 But when we did this room, Floyd, my husband did the different blocks around the corners of the doorways and windows.\u00a0 And he did upstairs for our children, too.\u00a0 And I think that\u2019s probably all (words?) but the glasses we replaced and transoms.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Are the windows the same size (words?)?\u00a0 They don\u2019t look like (words?).<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 These aren\u2019t.\u00a0 They are in the dining room.\u00a0 Those are the windows that were here when we moved in.\u00a0 This is a little wavy.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 The doors?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Most of the doors are ones that were here.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 How many people could you have in the bed and breakfast?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Probably nine, as far as four bedrooms times two people and a roll away.\u00a0 We have one roll away.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 What attracted you to buy this house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Size and location.\u00a0 Because we had six in our family, and we liked this part of town.\u00a0 And the house was not for sale, and we contacted Vera Jacobs who owned the house and she was willing to sell it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Was she living here at the time?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 She was.\u00a0 She was living right down the street where\u2026 this is all (words?)\u2026 Maury and Dixie Knowlton lived, in the house that was Mrs. Jacobs\u2019s.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 But nobody lived here in the house when ya\u2019ll bought it?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 When we bought it, one of her relatives lived in the house still, like a grandson or something.\u00a0 But it was apartments, and they had students in and out.\u00a0 But he was the only one.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Did each of the apartments have kitchens and a bathroom?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 No.\u00a0 Upstairs, there were two apartments; and each one had a kitchen, but they shared a bathroom, which I thought was rather unusual.\u00a0 The cowboy bath upstairs has the original bead board typical for kitchen and baths and it\u2019s large claw foot tub.And then downstairs, there were two kitchens and two baths\u2014the one that we currently use, and then there was a little bathroom under the stairs, with a little footed tub that was just had a very\u2026 It was so small, when you got in, you weren\u2019t sure you could get out.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Is that still here?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 No.\u00a0 We took the plumbing out for that.\u00a0 But it had a basin with a heater underneath.\u00a0 So of course, it heated up the cast iron of the sink.\u00a0 It was a little tricky in the winter.\u00a0 You could burn yourself.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Brushing your teeth.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yea.\u00a0 And they had it blocked off, so you entered here.\u00a0 And then the other apartment, you entered through the door at the bottom of the stairs.\u00a0 And that had an exit outside and this one did, too.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 So they ran the lengths of the house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Mhmm, they did.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Did you take the plumbing and everything out for all the kitchens?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 We did.\u00a0 One is now the bathroom for the Victorian room.\u00a0 And that\u2019s where we started.\u00a0 We started with one room because it had the plumbing and it was convenient to do that.\u00a0 And, yeah, so we\u2019ve taken (words?) and of course, added.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 So you\u2019ve got six bathrooms in the house now?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 (Gasp)<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 I know, isn\u2019t that awful?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 No<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Only when you have to clean all of them.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 But it was nice coming from a house where six shared one bathroom.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Oh my.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Yes, very much so.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Did you heard any other stories about the house or the neighborhood?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 We heard that\u2026 Because we used to hear footsteps overhead in the Victorian room.\u00a0 My son had that room and he never heard anything.\u00a0 But we could hear somebody walking from the door, like around the bed and back.\u00a0 And I don\u2019t know if it was just old house creaking, but nothing ever happened.\u00a0 And it didn\u2019t seem to be\u2026 It was a benevolent presence, if it was one in fact.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Have you heard stories about anyone who had died in that room or anything?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 I think we did, but I don\u2019t know who it would have been.\u00a0 It would have had to have been a long, long, long time ago.\u00a0 And then neighbors next door used to help Ms. Mitty Ray with the boarding house, and there used to be an orchard out back.\u00a0 Because people can remember when there was livestock in this area and the house went all the way back to Leflore.\u00a0 So it was a little more rural in a way.\u00a0 But then, you know, Wally\u2019s apartments down there, apparently, that\u2019s one of the first boarding houses in Cleveland.\u00a0 It sits down on the end of Pearman and Lamar, on that corner.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 So this was a single-family home and then a boarding house and then apartments and then a bed and breakfast and now back to a single family?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 It\u2019s come full circle.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Why did you want to turn it into a bed and breakfast?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 So I could work at home.\u00a0 And our children were all gone, so we had all this space.\u00a0 And that was the motivating factor.\u00a0 And it was wonderful.\u00a0 It really was.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Have you met a lot of interesting people?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes, indeed.\u00a0 (On the Madison series?).\u00a0 (To herself) Who\u2019s the fellow on television news, White House?\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 There have been a lot.\u00a0 Interesting people.\u00a0 He was probably the only name, as far as somebody.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 But, still, you\u2019re opening your home when you do the home business.\u00a0 So you have to be very willing to share your personal space.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 And there was more of that than I realized there would be.\u00a0 I\u2019m not a keen housekeeper; and realizing that yes, they\u2019re going to be all through here and you\u2019re going to have to keep it up, that was a little adjustment to make.\u00a0 It\u2019s just been pleasurable.\u00a0 People have been wonderful.\u00a0 It was a good thing.\u00a0 And my neighbors, we checked with all our neighbors before we did it to see how they felt about it before we went to the planning commission.\u00a0 It was well accepted.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Did you ever feel maybe threatened, or that your safety might be in jeopardy?<\/p>\n

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MS:\u00a0 No.\u00a0 Except after, well, the first person didn\u2019t make us feel that way.\u00a0 But there was\u2026 There is a point where you say, \u2018Oh my goodness, we just gave the key to our house to somebody who is a total stranger.\u2019\u00a0 But we never had a problem.\u00a0 You know, that was absolutely wonderful.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Is it the feeling of the neighborhood that house makes you feel, in the neighborhood that made you feel that that was not so much of a step?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 I think probably so.\u00a0 And it seemed\u2026 A bed and breakfast owner we talked to before we opened said something like the kind of people who stay in a bed and breakfast are very nice people.\u00a0 They are not the type that are going to do those sorts of things.\u00a0 And it proved to be correct.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Have you seen the neighborhood change in the years that you\u2019ve been here?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes, there have been quite a few people who have moved in or out.\u00a0 And over the years, there have been quite a few.\u00a0 The neighborhood has gotten better, I think.\u00a0 Not the people, but people have stayed\u2026 These houses have all been fixed up, which I think is beneficial.\u00a0 So it\u2019s been a good neighborhood for that.\u00a0 It hasn\u2019t declined, as far as I know.\u00a0 It\u2019s simply gotten better and better.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Your house is distinctive looking. Do you do that before or after it became a bed and breakfast?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Before.\u00a0 My husband liked all the curly q\u2019s and things.\u00a0 So, it was fun to\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 To decorate your home.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Exactly.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 It\u2019s wonderful to just look around.\u00a0 You see something everywhere you look.\u00a0 You have to be here a while to see everything.\u00a0 Is there a story about the mirror?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 The mirror belonged to my family in New Jersey and it was crated up in 1947.\u00a0 And when we had a house that could accommodate it, my father sent it down.\u00a0 So it\u2019s been in the family probably over a hundred years, I would guess.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 To ship it down must have been a real\u2026<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 It was.\u00a0 It came with some other furniture (words?)<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Were you at all nervous about it being shipped?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Well, it was in this crate.\u00a0 It was crated up.\u00a0 It hadn\u2019t been unpacked since then.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 So you\u2019d never seen it?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 No.\u00a0 I had no idea what was coming.\u00a0 So it was a real surprise.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 And you have the perfect spot for it.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 That\u2019s another adjustment we made, too.\u00a0 There used to be a hall behind the side board there that went from this foyer all the way to the back porch.\u00a0 And I did close this off.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Did you make another room when you closed it off?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 No. No.\u00a0 It maintained the hall and a closet underneath it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Was it difficult to hang that mirror?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes, it was.\u00a0 And now, it\u2019s resting on something.\u00a0 They\u2019ve got it, and then bolted to the wall.\u00a0 And it\u2019s got some moisture damage, probably.\u00a0 But they say, don\u2019t touch it.\u00a0 So we won\u2019t.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 I think I\u2019m through.\u00a0 I mean, those are my questions.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 And I think you\u2019ve answered mine, too.\u00a0 Could we take some pictures of some of the architecture?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh, that\u2019s fine.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Can we do that?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Sure.\u00a0 There was one thing.\u00a0 Somebody told us (words?) somebody sitting on our porch shot at (word?), and I can\u2019t remember what it was over.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Oh my!<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 But this was in early days.\u00a0 There was some sort of exchange that wasn\u2019t friendly.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 When you shoot at your neighbor, it probably is not friendly.\u00a0 It\u2019s not a warning of \u2018hey, look out again.\u2019<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Did they kill some of them?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 I cannot\u2026 my memory is getting bad, but\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 I\u2019ll have to look into that.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yea, look into that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 So that would be Wheelers.\u00a0 We talked to Wheeler (words?).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 But we didn\u2019t ask, though?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yea, they might know.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 They had a lot to say, but didn\u2019t say about that.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 When we moved here, Hawkins\u2019s, that was an empty lot.\u00a0 Hmm, what other things have changed?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Do houses look as good as they used to?\u00a0 I\u2019ve only been in Cleveland about ten years.\u00a0 But these houses always seem to look like they\u2019ve been really well taken care of.\u00a0 Has that always been the case?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I think they\u2026 Somebody fixed Mrs. Jacobs\u2019s house, and she added more decorative elements I think.\u00a0 June Magee who used to work at Levingston\u2019s Furniture remodeled. \u00a0\u00a0Like the Davis\u2019s house next door has a section of siding that is maybe scalloped, and I think those things were.\u00a0 I\u2019m trying to think back\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 We saw several houses on this block that had that scalloped siding.\u00a0 I\u2019m thinking they were probably of the same era.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yeah, I think so, too.\u00a0 So that was a typical architectural\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Were most of the houses on this block built about 1905?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 That I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 And I don\u2019t know what year the fire records were, but you could see most of the houses were here.\u00a0 And a lot of them had the same aerial floor or combinaiton I guess.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 Do you know if there were originally some (word?) buildings for this house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 There may have been.\u00a0 Eleanor (Garrett?) would know, because she lived next door.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Oh, she lived in\u2026?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 She lived in this house (pointing next door).\u00a0 And they still lived here.\u00a0 She and her husband Doyle lived here when we moved in until they moved around to Leflore.\u00a0 But I think the MacArthur\u2019s house had been in their family also.\u00a0 Did they not have a tie to that house, too?\u00a0 Which is the one that used to have a bakery?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 It had a bakery?\u00a0 Tell us about the bakery.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Well, that\u2019s what I\u2019ve heard, that there was.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 In the McArthur house?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Right<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Okay<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 But that part of the house is not there anymore.\u00a0 I think when it was remodeled, it was taken off.\u00a0 But when Nance\u2019s lived there, that part of the house was still there but I don\u2019t know how it was used.\u00a0 And then the apartment building behind it was there, too.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Would that have been in the early \u201870\u2019s then?\u00a0 You said when you lived here?\u00a0 The bakery was there?<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 No, it was not.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Oh, okay.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 In \u201979.\u00a0 It would\u2019ve been prior to that.\u00a0 Maybe back in the forties or something.\u00a0 It may be that far back.\u00a0 I\u2019ll probably think of things later.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Maybe we should just leave our recorder with everybody.\u00a0 We do sometimes.\u00a0 Actually, last week, we had somebody come by and they just wanted to sit in my office because they remembered things.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh good.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 And they just sat there and talked to themselves and recorded.\u00a0 It works for us.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Well, better to get as much information as you can.\u00a0 Is that sort of jelling as a neighborhood?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 This project?\u00a0 Oh, definitely, definitely.\u00a0 One thing I\u2019ve definitely noticed is how everybody looks after each other.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Even now.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 I mean, today, you know who your neighbors are and them knowing you and knowing, \u2018Well, she\u2019s not home today.\u00a0 She\u2019s doing this, or they\u2019re all\u2026\u2019<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 We keep in touch.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Yes<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 We talked to LePoint the other day, and she had not taken her key with her when she went to lunch.\u00a0 But if we hadn\u2019t been there when she came back, she knew you had a key.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 And she would\u2019ve come over.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh, yes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 You don\u2019t do things like that unless you care for each other and that makes you (words?) in the neighborhood as well.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And this is a good neighborhood that way.\u00a0 I think it is very caring.\u00a0 And we could watch out for each other, get together from time to time.\u00a0 And it\u2019s just a nice feeling.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 And raising your children in that atmosphere can be very comforting.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 It was.\u00a0 It was very\u2026 because we were out of town one time and our son was home alone.\u00a0 And he\u2026 I think it was a tornado warning or something.\u00a0 And he just went next door to Garrett\u2019s.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 And I thought they probably had a place that they went, under the stairs or something.\u00a0 Instead, they calmly sat in the kitchen, I think, and ate cookies and played cards.\u00a0 It was sort of\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Stay calm.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yes. Yes.\u00a0 It was not a big deal.\u00a0 The house has been here for a hundred years.\u00a0 It\u2019ll be here tomorrow.\u00a0 So it was reassuring.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 That is true.\u00a0 You guys have been here for so long.\u00a0 If a wind came up, I think I might have to come over here, too.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Please do!\u00a0 And we heard\u2026 And I never confirmed it.\u00a0 We heard that there was a fire here at one time because upstairs seems to be more modern than the downstairs.\u00a0 So I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 And I don\u2019t know who\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 How tall are your ceilings?
\nMS:\u00a0 Eleven feet, downstairs; but eight upstairs.\u00a0 Donna McCaleb\u2019s another one who remembers\u2026 I think she remembered coming here and getting cookies or something.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Yea.\u00a0 Eating the\u2026 Oh gosh, what were the cookies?\u00a0 They were like almond cookies or something.\u00a0 She could smell them.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0 They were Jewish, Jewish cookies.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh!\u00a0 I wonder if they were like Hebrew cookies.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 That\u2019s what they were.\u00a0 Absolutely.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh, those are good.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 Alright, well, we\u2019ve enjoyed our afternoon with you.<\/p>\n

MS:\u00a0 Oh, and you too.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0 I\u2019m going to go ahead and turn the recorder off.<\/p>\n

Tape stops.<\/p>\n

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