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Interviewed by Emily Weaver and Cam McMillen<\/strong><\/p>\n

Transcribed by W. Ray <\/strong><\/p>\n

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EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m Emily Weaver and I\u2019m with Dr. Cameron McMillen and we are with Mr. and Mrs. Rayner on Thursday July 12, 2007 in the Capps Archives and Museum and we are discussing the Historic Neighborhoods in Cleveland, Mississippi.\u00a0 Do you willingly participate in this oral history project?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, I do.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, Cam do you want to begin the questions?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Alright.\u00a0 I know that you said you grew up in Merigold. But you said you came here as a teenager.\u00a0 Tell us a little bit about why you came to Cleveland from Merigold.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, back in those days I socialized with teenagers from Cleveland.\u00a0 In the Mississippi Delta it was a common thing to have private dances, so my mama, my mother gave a dance for my sister and I up there and we had teenagers from all over the Delta who came to the thing.\u00a0 Likewise, I came to Cleveland, and I got to know these people, the ones that were my age.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where would you go \u2013 where would you have a dance in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pardon?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where in Cleveland would you have a dance?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The American Legion Hut.\u00a0 It\u2019s no longer \u2013 that American Legion is no longer here.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was it?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I believe it was on North Pearman.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is it where the Welfare?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Somewhere along there in that area.\u00a0 And had dances in Merigold and it was at the Merigold Library.\u00a0 It was the American Legion Hut.\u00a0 But that\u2019s the way I got to know \u2013 we socialized together.\u00a0 Not just Merigold.\u00a0 Merigold, Cleveland, Ruleville, Drew, Shelby, Rosedale, all of those places.\u00a0 So that\u2019s \u2013 we didn\u2019t have a picture show in Merigold.\u00a0 If you were going to the movies you came to Cleveland.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Which you can\u2019t do now.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 Of course, we didn\u2019t have all those videos then.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What picture show?\u00a0 What movie theatres were here?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There were three theatres here at one time. And don\u2019t \u2013 the Ellis Theatre was here, and what was the name of the one over on \u2013 there was one over on the side of Sharpe Avenue.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And there was \u2013 oh, what was the other?\u00a0 At one time there were three theatres here.\u00a0 I can\u2019t remember the name of the other one.\u00a0 I can\u2019t remember the name of that one, but.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were they all one screen?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yes, just one screen.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Back then that\u2019s all there was anyway, the one screen.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So would they have been showing different movies or would they all have the same movie?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, they would have different movies.\u00a0 And we could ride the train.\u00a0 The trains came through Cleveland and we could catch the train in Merigold at noon and go to the Saturday afternoon shoot \u2018em up and catch the train back home about four o\u2019clock, three-thirty or four o\u2019clock. I knew I was \u2013 I graduated from high school the same year that the war was over.\u00a0 So it was gas rationing, tires were rationed, gas was rationed, so the train was a viable \u2013<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you couldn\u2019t buy a car.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you couldn\u2019t buy a car except an old junker someway, so.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The train was your public transportation.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well my mama \u2013 my daddy was a farmer and he always had transportation you know but then I didn\u2019t have a car as a teenager.\u00a0 And \u2013 but we could catch the train to Cleveland.\u00a0 We rode the train \u2013 now I\u2019m not talking about every Saturday, but once a month or so a couple of us would ride the train to Cleveland.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there someplace you went after the movie, a place to hang out or anything?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not really.\u00a0 You didn\u2019t have a whole lot of time once the movie was over when the train went back north.\u00a0 It went to Greenville and turned around and came back north is what it did.\u00a0 But that is one of the things.\u00a0 And shopping, you know those were gravel roads to Memphis so shopping was done in Cleveland.\u00a0 Not just everyday shopping cause we had a lot of grocery stores and dry goods stores in Merigold at that time.\u00a0 But that shopping was done.\u00a0 You know those stores stayed open on Sharpe Avenue until 10, 11, 12:00 at night on the weekends.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Wow!\u00a0 They don\u2019t do that now.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no, no.\u00a0 That\u2019s when the-<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s when town came to town.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s when the country folks came to town on Saturday.\u00a0 And they\u2019d park, man you could, man folks would just park on Sharpe Avenue and watch people.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The way it feels now, it feels like maybe all of the shopping would have been done on the east side of the railroad track.\u00a0 And then maybe more cotton merchants and businesses were on the other side.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh it was cotton merchants there.\u00a0 Automobile dealerships.\u00a0 It was about three or four automobile dealerships there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where were they?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The east side \u2013 the west side of the railroad track.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know where that Pawn Shop is now?\u00a0 There was a car agency there and whether it was Kossman\u2019s or..<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Kossman\u2019s?\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember the exact location but they were all along there.\u00a0 Kossman\u2019s, Cleveland Motor Company which was a Chevrolet dealership, and at one time, I was talking to Leland Speakes and he was telling me this just the other day \u2013 and his daddy had a Studebaker dealership where the Valley Gas Building is now.\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 But there was a Rhett Nelson\u2019s Mule Barn was on the east side of the track.\u00a0 And he sold a lot of mules.\u00a0 Rhett Nelson was a Gypsy.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really!<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 And he was in the mule trading business and \u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would that have been on Cotton Row?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was on Cotton Row.\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 It was on Cotton Row.\u00a0 And the Red Front Garage was over there which was a repair shop.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 You\u2019d need to have that.\u00a0 Was there a hotel down there do you remember?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not to my knowledge on this side of the track.\u00a0 Grover was over there of course.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On the other side.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The other side, right.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was that other little hotel on the other side too?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not too \u2013 it was where that pool hall was.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 Course the two eating places when I was a teenager and high school that we came to Cleveland for was the Post Office Caf\u00e9 and the Splendid Caf\u00e9.\u00a0 They were both on Sharpe Avenue.\u00a0 The Splendid in the same block that the Grover Hotel is in.\u00a0 And the Post Office Caf\u00e9 was on the north end, not the extreme north end, but towards the north end of Sharpe Avenue.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the post office in the building that it is now the Police Station?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was the caf\u00e9?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, this was called the Post Office Caf\u00e9 but it was \u2013 it had no connection with the post office.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was fairly close.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now unless it did have some connection with \u2013 pre-dating me, it could have been the old post office or something.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Could you give us a date \u2013 give us some dates about when you were coming to Cleveland?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the early \u201840\u2019s.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Early \u201840\u2019s.\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well I\u2019ve been coming to Cleveland all my life.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh sure, sure.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But as a teenager that was talking about, those dates were in the early \u201840\u2019s.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the hospital in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the hospital in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 I remember this hospital where the nursing center.\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember, there was another one before this one?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t have a recollection of it, I\u2019m sure it may have been, but I don\u2019t have a recollection of it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were you born in this hospital?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I was born in Port Gibson, Mississippi.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that\u2019s just fine.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1927.\u00a0 During the high water in the Delta.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s how come they were in Port Gibson.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s the reason I was in Port Gibson.\u00a0 At that time we were living in south Delta and the water was thirteen feet deep on the front walk of my house three months before I was born.\u00a0 So mama went back to her home town and I was born.\u00a0 She was from Port Gibson.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It did run a lot of people out.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It did run a lot of people out.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 And finally after it flooded again in 1929, that\u2019s when mama told my daddy, \u201cwe are out of this part of the delta.\u201d\u00a0 And that\u2019s when we moved to Merigold in 1929.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did you start going to Calvary Episcopal Church?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In 1929.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I thought that was going to be the answer.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who would you come to see?\u00a0 Or would you get on the friends to meet and hang around with?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, George Warner, whose daddy ran Delta Hardware.\u00a0 Leland Speakes, Vern McDaniel.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What would ya\u2019ll do?\u00a0 I mean, I know you would go to the movies but..<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Go to the movies.\u00a0 The main thing at times when I saw those two, cause I had my friends in Merigold that I went to high school with.\u00a0 And, but, I remember spending the weekend with George Warner one time.\u00a0 I got an interesting story, I don\u2019t know whether it\u2019s anything that needs to be told but.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh sure.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was spending the weekend with George Warner and we had salmon croquettes for supper.\u00a0 And we were just finishing supper when Mrs. Warner looked up and she saw the can of salmon.\u00a0 She had a black woman who did the cooking and she said, \u201cJohnny Mae.\u201d\u00a0 Or whatever her name was.\u00a0 \u201cWhat did you make these croquettes out of.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cthat salmon fish.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201chere\u2019s the can of salmon, where\u2019s the can you got it out of?\u201d\u00a0\u00a0 It was a can of catfood.\u00a0 But we had all eaten it and enjoyed it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well can we talk about your visits?\u00a0 Your spending the night?\u00a0 You stayed with George Warner?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did he live?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He lives at judge, retired judge, he lived at\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did he live at that point and time?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 At that time, on Sixth Avenue.\u00a0 The corner, I believe the corner of Farmer and Avery or Farmer or Avery, one of those.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you ever visit any of the homes in the historic district?\u00a0 Did you have friends that lived there?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, off Leflore is where I met her.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Tell us that story.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well you\u2019ve heard the name Margaret Green?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Margaret Green and my mother were first cousins.\u00a0 And Margaret was a very positive and far feeling type of person and when she said something you better listen.\u00a0 And she called me up and I\u2019m a grown man now.\u00a0 I\u2019m 26 years old.\u00a0 She called me my name, she said, \u201cSonny.\u201d\u00a0 That\u2019s what the family calls me.\u00a0 \u201cI want you to be at my house Thursday night at 7:00.\u00a0 I\u2019ve got someone I want you to meet.\u201d<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you did.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that was Virginia.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And she called me with the same thing.\u00a0 And you went because Margaret spoke.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And she, and the way, we are not kin but we have mutual relatives.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Her mother was married to my cousin.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s all right.\u00a0 It\u2019s enough distance.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So, that\u2019s right.\u00a0 That was the connection with Virginia and Margaret.\u00a0 Virginia had moved down here from Missouri.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So we were married six months later.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it did well.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Margaret Green\u2019s house was the house right across the street from the Methodist Church.\u00a0 The first house going north on Leflore now.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now.\u00a0 Cause there used to be another house.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There used to be another house there where the parking lot.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The one by the parking lot.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That white house?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s where we, that was Margaret.\u00a0 And her husband was Judge Ed Green, who was the Circuit Judge.\u00a0 He was a long time County Attorney and then later Circuit Judge.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And he was one of those southern men with a great big deep voice.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know we were talking about Calvary Church, I don\u2019t know whether we need to mention this or not.\u00a0 As long as he was in politics he belonged to First Baptist Church, but when he retired \u2013<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Although Margaret belonged.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Although Margaret was an Episcopalian.\u00a0 After he got out of politics he became an Episcopalian.\u00a0 But it just wasn\u2019t \u2013 you know an interesting story along that same line \u2013 I ran for the city board in Merigold.\u00a0 And I had always come to Cleveland to church.\u00a0 And my uncle told me, Ed Rayner, who was in politics, he said, \u201cSonny, you don\u2019t church with the people in Cleveland.\u201d<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that\u2019s the way it works too.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s the way it works. So Judge Green was a good example of that.\u00a0 There\u2019s a whole lot more votes in the Cleveland First Baptist Church than there was in Calvary Episcopal Church.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me back up a minute we were talking about old places here and there.\u00a0 The Denton Ice Cream Company is now located where they used to have a little (inaudible) and they had a swimming pool there.\u00a0 And when I was a child I thought that was the greatest place in the world to go.\u00a0 You can go there and go swimming and then eat some ice cream.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were you from Cleveland then?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But she visited down here.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had relatives not in Cleveland but in Shelby and Rosedale.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you would come here.\u00a0 What were your views about Cleveland when you came to visit as a child?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well you know things look to a child, I thought it was a great place.\u00a0 And I remember, and this is so vague I don\u2019t know that I can really tell it, but I remember as a child coming over here for the First Centennial Celebration of Bolivar County.\u00a0 And we went to a house, I was with my family and we went to a house on Leflore.\u00a0 And I\u2019m not sure exactly which house it was but all I know is that it was close to that little grocery store that used to be down the street there on Leflore.\u00a0 Just the other side of the bayou.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, Lee\u2019s Grocery down there.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 And I thought that was the greatest thing in the world that you could walk to the store.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably the old Sommerville house.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would think so.\u00a0 I just remember that they didn\u2019t want us children inside (inaudible).\u00a0 But I thought that was pretty neat.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Wait now.\u00a0 There was a grocery store on North Leflore?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, South Leflore.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where the bridge is over the bayou.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right where the bridge is?\u00a0 That is now a residence I think.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Apartments.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Apartments.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was the grocery store then?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 It was a grocery store.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was an interesting thing.\u00a0 Blue laws were in effect back in those days.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Blue laws.\u00a0 You couldn\u2019t sell certain things on Sunday?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sunday. The stores were closed on Sunday.\u00a0 But this store was open on Sunday. So if you needed something on Sunday afternoon\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s where you had to go.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s where you had to go.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why were they allowed?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They just got by with it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 That\u2019s fine. So is that kind of the edge of town then?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was the edge, right.\u00a0 Well of course the compress was there.\u00a0 Memorial Drive was down there you know.\u00a0 Those trees were planted\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were planted after World War I.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 World War I.\u00a0 That Memorial Drive was named after World War I.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that still Highway 61 at that time?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 At that time was it still Highway 61?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I thought it was.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes it was. Yes.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And wouldn\u2019t you hate to think that was the only way to Greenville?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A lot of traffic.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, there wasn\u2019t much traffic.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The road from Merigold to Cleveland was gravel.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh oh.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I remember, well, now you know I\u2019m talking about it was gravel in the \u201830\u2019s.\u00a0 Highway 61 was paved in \u2013 through Merigold in 1938, but I remember having to go to Port Gibson.\u00a0 And at one time the only paved road from Merigold to Port Gibson, Mississippi was in Washington County.\u00a0 Highway 61 through Washington County.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when Sharpe Street \u2013 Sharpe Avenue was paved?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sharpe Avenue?\u00a0 No, I don\u2019t guess I really do.\u00a0 It was paved in, I don\u2019t really know exactly.\u00a0 Merigold had better streets than a lot of towns did back in those days.\u00a0 Merigold was a thriving community.\u00a0 You were going to ask me some more questions and I\u2019m rambling.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And rambling is good.\u00a0 Tell us about Calvary and how Calvary grew and the buildings of Calvary.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The present church building was built in 1954, we moved into it in 1955.\u00a0 And the present, the building is now called Rayner House was the church at that time.\u00a0 And it sat right where Calvary Church now sits. And it was moved over to where it is now located as our parish hall before the church was built in 1955.\u00a0 It was a (inaudible). I\u2019ve told Cam this story. I remember as a little kid that we had wooden folding chairs.\u00a0 And the new ones were just the cushions that were down on the floor like this, they weren\u2019t even raised, they were on the floor.\u00a0 And when you get, the wooden chairs were put together, they were fastened together.\u00a0 But if you weren\u2019t careful when you got out of the chair to kneel you would turn the chair over. So you had to be very careful.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Turn everybody over.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, well, I just remember them turning over a couple of times.\u00a0 And, but, and then another story that I would like to tell is one hot, this is after we got the pews in the church.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The new church?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, this was the old church. Still the old church.\u00a0 This was before we were married.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well I was there the Sunday that you are talking about.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jack Russell?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I thought that was prior to that.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh huh.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, I\u2019m confused about the time.\u00a0 I just remember Dr. Jack Russell who was at that time a senior warden of the church.\u00a0 It was hot as (inaudible) as Hades and that\u2019s how I knew.\u00a0 He stood up in the back and says, \u201cGood folks, next Sunday when you come to church, this building will be air conditioned.\u201d\u00a0 He put the air conditioning, the first air conditioning in.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh how wonderful!\u00a0 Then everybody definitely wanted to come to church.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right. But it was a real small church.\u00a0 I can remember when the budget was $5,000.00.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Goodness. They did good things though.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ve heard stories about when the building was, I can\u2019t remember who was telling it, but the ladies were painting, the men of the church painted the church, and there was a story about tricking somebody into painting the steeple.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Duke Goza.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Duke Goza who was a lawyer up at, now at Oxford.\u00a0 Let me try to think of the exact wording of the little sign.\u00a0 \u201cThis church is being painted by the people.\u00a0 Duke says he\u2019ll paint the steeple.\u201d\u00a0 And they hung it up real high on the church.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And he had to get up there and get it.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, we got it painted.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But everybody was involved.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Everybody.\u00a0 Everybody in the church.\u00a0 We painted the whole church.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that when it was built?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was later.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Later, after it needed it.\u00a0 The first paint job didn\u2019t hold up real well.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was the original church?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No that was the..<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 New church?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was the new church.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The new church itself is getting old.\u00a0 When was the building next door to it built?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That \u2013 Virginia and I have argued about the parrish hall, no the parlor room.\u00a0 That\u2019s now \u2013 I can\u2019t have a recollection of this when that parlor \u2013 when that part was added.\u00a0 But it was before we moved here \u2013 or after we moved here?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m nearly positive it was before, but I\u2019m not positive. But some of the women in the church did a luncheon, they called it the business men\u2019s luncheon or something like that. And \u00a0it was on a Thursday, now whether it was once a month or every two weeks I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 But they did it.\u00a0 And I think the purpose was to pay for that addition.\u00a0 You know the side part?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you think we could get the church to do that today?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I doubt it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is it true that ya\u2019ll were the last couple to be married in what is now\u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We were the last couple to be married, and the first couple to be married by Duncan Gray, Jr., who later became Bishop.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the rectory built for him?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The rectory was built for him.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When was that?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 1953.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The present Bishop Gray laughs and talks about playing in the dirt piles in the church yard while they were living in that house\u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 While they were building the new church.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did the minister live before they built\u2026.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had the house built when he got here.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But ministers before that, where did they live?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All over different places in town.\u00a0 An interesting story about Mr. Gary, we called him. Father Gary.\u00a0 He had been a missionary in China, but (inaudible).\u00a0 And he came here and he was an older man.\u00a0 And he had one suit of clothes, and so my daddy gave him some money one day and said, \u201cMr. Gary, I want you to go buy you a new suit.\u201d\u00a0 Well he kept waiting for Mr. Gary, we called him Mister.\u00a0 My father did and that\u2019s why\u2026.to come out in a new suit.\u00a0 And finally daddy said, \u201cWhere\u2019s your new suit?\u00a0 I\u2019ve been waiting for you to come out in a new suit.\u201d\u00a0 He said, \u201cI found some somebody that needed that money a whole lot more than I needed a new suit.\u00a0 So that\u2019s what I did.\u201d\u00a0 Daddy said, \u201cWell I can\u2019t argue with that, but I tell you what, you\u2019re going to have a new suit of clothes.\u201d\u00a0 So daddy went, we had a local tailor so daddy contacted him and told him, \u201cYou go measure Mr. Gary and pick him out a suit, let him pick out the cloth, and you make him a suit of clothes.\u201d\u00a0 So that\u2019s the suit of clothes he was buried in.\u00a0 He died while he was here.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was the tailor located?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Huh?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was the tailor located?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He didn\u2019t have \u2013 he just traveled around, he didn\u2019t have a \u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that common for people to have a tailor make a suit for them rather than\u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, it was exclusive to have a tailor made suit.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think that probably few people did.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when the church got the building that is the office building?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, that came about in, me let me think now.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I read yesterday that that was a duplex.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a duplex home, yes. It belonged to Dick and Lee Nance.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that\u2019s when we had the project that we painted everything inside.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Everything that was in front of us we painted.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s during, that was during\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ray Pratus.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ray Pratus ministry, which would have been in the late \u201860\u2019s.\u00a0 And Jim Pulliam came in \u201971.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did the church make it into one?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 And it\u2019s not the exact same floor plan that it is now.\u00a0 It was a duplex and they connected it together.\u00a0 That was during Ray Pratus. And now if you ever want to talk about.\u00a0 I look back at Calvary Church\u2019s pre-Duncan Gray Jr.\u00a0 Duncan Gray Jr. (inaudible) some bad times in there.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Except for\u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Except for Jim Pulliam.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh huh.\u00a0 McGinnis.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, Clifton McGinnis that followed.\u00a0 But then we had some downtime.\u00a0 And then Ray Pratus came in here as the priest \u2013 rector, no the vicar, cause we were still a mission then, and Ray Pratus put Calvary Church, he made Calvary Church known to folks in Cleveland.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did Calvary become a parish rather than a mission?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In 19.. during Jim Puliam\u2019s ministry here which would be the \u201870\u2019s, I think mid \u201974 possibly.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That rings a bell.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When we became a parish.\u00a0 But\u2026Ray Pratus was a ball of fire.\u00a0 Ray Pratus was on the go, visiting and doing things.\u00a0 18 hours a day.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember anything about the brick house across the street or the carriage house?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nothing except we were there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nothing other than the fact that we wished we had bought it at one time.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You could now.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You could buy it now.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We don\u2019t need it now.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You for you, or you for the church?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, for the church.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What did town look like?\u00a0 What did the area look like around the church at that time?\u00a0 All the houses were there?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, yeah, the houses were there but\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now when was the\u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can go back further, I remember when, I don\u2019t know whether ya\u2019ll remember Alyce Richardson lives?\u00a0 Alyce West Richardson on Deering?\u00a0 When Deering was dead end.\u00a0 That was a cotton field and a slew where, just south of Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 I remember when Fireman\u2019s Park was kind of a mud hole.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I read somewhere where they referred to South Victoria as the slough<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A lot of the houses that were built in the \u201830\u2019s and \u201840\u2019s there, and they referred to that as the slough.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 It was between Victoria and Fifth Avenue.\u00a0 It was nothing.\u00a0 That built up later.\u00a0 That\u2019s all built since Fifth Avenue.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well seems like it was a skip.\u00a0 That Fifth Avenue was there but all that in between there wasn\u2019t much there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Wasn\u2019t anything in there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that because of water?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that because of water?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, just filled, just had to be filled in.\u00a0 It was low.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In fact, the church is built on a fill.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 That\u2019s the reason we had so much trouble with the settling.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, okay.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But Fifth Avenue was a viable street back in the \u201830\u2019s but not Victoria, First, Second, Third.\u00a0 They were not.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 They weren\u2019t there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How long have the men been doing the Pancake Supper?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Huh?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How long have the men been doing\u2026.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ever since Ray Pratus\u2019 second year here.\u00a0 Which would \u201968.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How many people did you feed in the beginning.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well we cooked them all, let me tell you the story how it came about.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That would be great.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The first year they had the \u2013 and you can go by the Crosstie records, it\u2019s the exact time.\u00a0 The first year of Crosstie, they had Crosstie, but they didn\u2019t have any food concessions.\u00a0 And at noon time came, everybody left and didn\u2019t come back.\u00a0 Cause they went to get them something to eat, they had to go eat.\u00a0 And they didn\u2019t have anywhere, they couldn\u2019t eat at Crosstie.\u00a0 So they tried to get different folks to feed the \u2013 I mean to have a food concession, so they Ray Pratus again said, \u201cWe\u2019ll do it.\u201d\u00a0 The others just wouldn\u2019t do it.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cWill ya\u2019ll help me?\u201d\u00a0 We just said, \u201cWe\u2019ll do it.\u201d<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201cWe\u2019ll do it.\u201d\u00a0 So we took, we hauled my grill from my house and other people\u2019s personal charcoal grill up there.\u00a0 Dropped one of them out of the back of a pickup truck and tore it up.\u00a0 That\u2019s what we cooked on.\u00a0 At that time, so we made arrangements with Nehi, we had the cold drink concession and hamburgers.\u00a0 And we must have sold three or four hundred hamburgers.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And our young people in the church were out walking up and down Sharpe Avenue with those big posters on front and back advertising.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it was held on, where, the railroad tracks.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where October Fest is.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the train still running then?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the train still running then?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 But then we, that thing, as Crosstie kept growing they moved it over to the courthouse.\u00a0 But can you think that the merchants on Sharpe Avenue complained that their folks couldn\u2019t park and they were losing business.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ohhh.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were very short sighted business men in the early years.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So anyway, that, one year Cam we sold 2700 hamburgers.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were hungry people.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were hungry people.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well you still haven\u2019t told them about the Pancake Breakfast.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, the Pancake Breakfast.\u00a0 I was talking about the \u2013 oh the Pancake Supper.\u00a0 That\u2019s been the\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was about the same time.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, it started the same year.\u00a0 That same year.\u00a0 I would think it started the same year.\u00a0 And you know, I\u2019d say the first time on Pancake Supper we served 150 to 200 people.\u00a0 I\u2019m guessing.\u00a0 But\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How many did you serve this year?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This wasn\u2019t necessarily the biggest year, but we usually serve around 700.\u00a0 That\u2019s eat in and carry outs.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pretty good.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Crosstie was our big money maker in the early days.\u00a0 Now Pancake Supper is where the men (inaudible).\u00a0 And it\u2019s all for, that money, all but a little of it is used for the local church.\u00a0 Most of it is outreach.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was the white house that\u2019s been torn down where the Methodist parking lot is now?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What now?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That white house next to where you met Virginia?\u00a0 You said there was a house where that parking lot is now?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, there was a house there but I don\u2019t remember what it was.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Wasn\u2019t it a duplex?\u00a0 It was two story.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I really don\u2019t know.\u00a0 She notices buildings more than I do.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it was a different design \u2013 an older house.\u00a0 I\u2019m sorry it had to go but I don\u2019t remember that much about it.\u00a0 The church, the Methodist Church owned the house a long time before it was torn down.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where the rectory is now, was that just a vacant low?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Inaudible.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The only thing that we purchased in that area is where the office building is now.\u00a0 Former (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when the library was built?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Vaguely.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was there before the library?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Don\u2019t remember.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Don\u2019t remember.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Don\u2019t remember either.\u00a0 I remember at one time we used the library for Sunday School class on Sunday mornings, before we bought the\u2026.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When was that?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Before we bought the Sunday School building.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 It was Tom Henry\u2019s (inaudible). I would say early \u201860\u2019s.\u00a0 I should have gone by and gotten the dates off the thing in the front of the church.\u00a0 (inaudible).\u00a0 I believe it was Tom Henry.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you have pictures of Calvary or things that were going on as you were growing up or as ya\u2019ll were married?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I didn\u2019t ever take pictures.\u00a0 Virginia took pictures but that was \u2026.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The only thing we had was a few, well the wedding pictures aren\u2019t at the church.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Their in the parish hall?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, they are in Jeanette\u2019s house.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The reception was my home in Merigold.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it a small wedding?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just the family?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, we had guests but not\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll do anything special for the wedding?\u00a0 You know people today do like unity candles and \u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This was before church had a lot of rules.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The main thing that I remember that has always been kind of special was Keith Godfrey played the organ for us.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you have \u2013 do you remember some stories about Keith?\u00a0 How long was she the organist at Calvary?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A long period of time off and on.\u00a0 She and her husband traveled a good bit, so I think she didn\u2019t do it all the time.\u00a0 But I don\u2019t know who else did it.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, we had several different ladies in the church.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What\u2019s her name, Helen?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, that wasn\u2019t her.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can\u2019t remember who the organist was.\u00a0 We had a number of different organists in the last few years.\u00a0 We even had a black man from out here at Delta State that played the organ for us at one time.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He was an Episcopalian.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He was a Episcopalian.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And very good.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They had, but, the organist changed pretty regular.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Keith \u2013<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But Keith was a friend and she played the organ for our wedding.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She played for church a good bit but I don\u2019t know how regular.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Her daughter even, Douglas, even played some.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Her daughter is Douglas?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s the oldest daughter.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And one is Keith?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm and the one is named \u2013 I\u2019m blank.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Katie.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pete was the youngest.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, Pete was the youngest and Katie is the middle one.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Douglas is in New York.\u00a0 Let me think abo8ut some more stuff about the church.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It has some interesting landscaping outside.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That landscaping that we have now is fairly recent, fairly recent.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think the Jacob\u2019s family donated the fountain and the women of the church made the money to do \u2013 well actually to do the planting and the landscaping, you know the plants and that part of it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The benches in front are in memory of Charles Jacobs.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The benches out front are in memory of Charles Jacobs.\u00a0 Who was he?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He is the son of Rosemary and Charles Jacobs.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Rosemary, is she still a member of the church?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um huh.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She is.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, they come to church pretty regularly.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When was the Rayner House, when was it named the Rayner House?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just about four or five years ago.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 About five.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s been about five.\u00a0 It caught me completely by surprise.\u00a0 I was\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Tell us that story.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We were, I was the lay reader at church that day.\u00a0 I was sitting up in the alter area during announcements and they made \u2013 I said, \u201cWhat are ya\u2019ll talking about?\u201d<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He can\u2019t hear very well.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They called me down and they named it out \u2013 it\u2019s not named out to me it is named out to us.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sure.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Virginia taught Sunday School for twenty-five years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My goodness.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And I don\u2019t even know how many years I sang in the choir.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We could use you now.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If I could still sing \u2013 I can\u2019t read anymore, so it makes it a little bit difficult unless you know all the words.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh sure.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you know, an interesting story about Sunday School, Duncan Gray, when he first came here, after he had been, he came in June I believe along about in first of August he told me, he said, \u201cI want to talk with you.\u00a0 I want you to be superintendent of Sunday School.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cDuncan, I never taught Sunday School in my life.\u00a0 I\u2019m not \u2013\u201c\u00a0 He said, \u201cI didn\u2019t ask you to teach Sunday School, I want you to be the superintendent.\u201d So I reluctantly said, \u201cYes.\u201d\u00a0 And seventeen years later I\u2019ve relinquished that job.\u00a0 Said, \u201cI just want you to be here and see that things are done on and so forth.\u201d<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It seems like ya\u2019ll had a very active congregation and very active in the community.<\/p>\n

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Side B<\/em><\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When Ray Pratuk got here that\u2019s when things started happening.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And they kept on going.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And they kept going.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What were some of the things that ya\u2019ll would do?\u00a0 I know that (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well just the Pancake Supper and the Crosstie involvement and Ray Pratuk was the first one that \u2013<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He liked things going on.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He liked something going on all the time.\u00a0 And just \u2013 we\u2019d have cookouts, cookout for the college students, cookouts for the \u2013 men would bring their own steak supper.\u00a0 That\u2019s just \u2013 just something going on all the time.\u00a0 I liked that.\u00a0 I wish we\u2019d get more of it going on.\u00a0 About to old to get it going.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jim (inaudible) got it going and so did John Brewster.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, I kind of (inaudible). Duncan Gray, Ray Pratuk, Jim Pulium, John Brewster, and Austin ohnson.\u00a0 Is kind of (inaudible) and things they did.\u00a0 (inaudible) grieved me when Austin Johnson left us.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think it did a lot of people.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yes.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He moved and I (inaudible) so I didn\u2019t know him well, but my contact with him was all good.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 He was a go getter.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who were some of the people who were active in the Episcopal Church during your (inaudible).\u00a0 Besides the ministers.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Jack Russell, Carrie Byrd.\u00a0 I got an interesting story about Harry Burd.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think we all do.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now we have to redact.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Carrie Byrd was Dr. Jack Russell\u2019s mother.\u00a0 And she was another one of those kind of people that you said \u201cyes ma\u2019am\u201d to.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh and energy \u2013 and she cared.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But she planted a holly bush right before the sidewalk comes by the Rayner House and intersects with the covered walkway now.\u00a0 There was a holly bush right there and it was always trimmed to the bush.\u00a0 It got to be tall as the ceiling like a bush and it was moving out this way and it got where the sidewalk, you couldn\u2019t get down the sidewalk. Have to get out on the grass to get around it.\u00a0 So I took it upon myself to one weekend to go up there with the loppers and shear it and make it into a tree so you could walk under it, instead of a bush.\u00a0 With fear and trembling.\u00a0 Sunday when Mrs. Russell came to church she said, \u201cOh, I love my tree now.\u201d\u00a0 I breathed easy.\u00a0 I really breathed easy.\u00a0 Cause that was a \u2013 it was a beautiful tree but we had to cut it when we built the walkway.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well it was starting to get \u2013<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It had gotten diseased and so forth.\u00a0 Cause it was planted in the \u201850\u2019s.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a big holly tree and I imagine it was at least as tall as the roof on the Rayner House.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I wish somebody had pictures of some of this stuff.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably somewhere there are some.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I wonder if we could ask any of the church (inaudible) if they have pictures.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think so.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I bet \u2013 that might be a source. \u00a0I hadn\u2019t thought about that.\u00a0 Do you remember more stories about Carrie Byrd?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible) about Carrie Byrd.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know that I can remember all.\u00a0 She taught Sunday School forever and a day.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Taught me when I was a little boy.\u00a0 We had a sand table.\u00a0 It was a table and sand about that deep in it.\u00a0 And I was a little bitty kid that sand table sticks out in my memory.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u2026always very active and Jack Russell\u2019s wife, Agusta Russell, was very active in the church.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember where they lived?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, on South Leflore.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were you ever in their house?
\nCR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a nice brick house down there on the corner of South Leflore and Lamar I believe.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you go to their house?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And before they lived there they lived in a house on the corner of Leflore and what?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Which house are you talking about?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well I\u2019ve got to go down there and look to see which house they lived in.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She knows, she watches. She keeps up with houses better than I do.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well we\u2019re kind of interested in some of the interiors of these homes as well.\u00a0 Can you maybe describe a little bit of what it was like inside the homes?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did the Russell\u2019s build that house?\u00a0 In about 1960?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, something like that.\u00a0 I\u2019m not sure.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it sort of a southern colonial style.\u00a0 One story.\u00a0 On the inside there is a – I can\u2019t remember exactly but the floor plan was very much like a lot \u00a0of houses in the area because you went into the living room.\u00a0 You went into a hall and then into the living room and dining room and the kitchen was there.\u00a0 The bedrooms were down in the other part.\u00a0 The furnishings were very nice.\u00a0 As I recall, oh, what was his name, decorator out of Memphis.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And this was Dr. Russell\u2019s house, not Carrie Byrd\u2019s house.\u00a0 This was Agusta.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And there\u2019s a little house on Leflore that Mrs. Russell lived in.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, right.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did most people have help at that point, maids and cooks?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah, everybody did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We did until I went broke farming.\u00a0 And some afterwards but not much.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh uh.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had, I grew up with a maid and a yard man and she cooked seven days a week.\u00a0 Saturday night off and Sunday night off.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The rest of the time, three meals a day.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Three meals a day, breakfast, lunch and dinner.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s a big meal at dinner.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Breakfast, dinner and supper.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There you go.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Breakfast, dinner and supper.\u00a0 The big meal was at noon.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you come home from school to eat lunch?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah in Merigold.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Nothing (inaudible) in Merigold.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did most people come home for lunch?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah. Now the country folk, that was the term that was used, the country folks ate at the lunch room in school.\u00a0 The town people went home for lunch.\u00a0 My daddy came in from the farm.\u00a0 I came in from the farm for years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember sitting on any porches?\u00a0 Would that have been a gathering place when you would go visit?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I did.\u00a0 That was the only cool place around and most people had ceiling fans on their porches.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Screened in porches?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now the houses were built entirely different.\u00a0 They were built for cross ventilation.\u00a0 My house that I grew up in Merigold on the old highway going through Merigold.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ve been there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s painted blue now.\u00a0 My mama turned over in her grave, but that\u2019s the house my daddy built in 1938.\u00a0 But it was built for cross ventilation in every room.\u00a0 And that was in the days before air conditioning.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You said church had air conditioning but did your house have air conditioning by the time your church had air conditioning?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when you put air conditioning in?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When I first got the window unit?\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 I definitely remember the first window unit.\u00a0 I remember \u2013<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember the first air conditioning unit in church.\u00a0 I remember riding to Rosedale to my cousin\u2019s wedding.\u00a0 Mae and so forth was leaving home.\u00a0 We had a two-story house.\u00a0 And the back of it, we used to on the second story.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is this in Missouri?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No here!<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh okay.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was pretty hot when I got out of the back.\u00a0 Then we got into the house \u2013 the car to ride to Rosedale and we went the back way which was a gravel road.\u00a0 We had lots of dust.\u00a0 I felt like a mudpie by the time we got to the wedding.\u00a0 You know, no air conditioning in the car.\u00a0 You had to roll the windows down.\u00a0 Your hair has gone everywhere.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t \u2013 you know they make it sound like the good ole days?\u00a0 Well there were some things about it that weren\u2019t so good.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember the first air conditioned automobile that I ever rode in.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh really!<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had a friend, and Cam wouldn\u2019t know him but they belonged to our church.\u00a0 Well Steven and Jamie Smith\u2019s grandmother? Steve and Jamie\u2019s father was a real close, close friend of mine.\u00a0 He was several years younger but we were always really close friends.\u00a0 And after I had gotten old enough, I got a drivers\u2019 license when I was thirteen.\u00a0 It is going to be hard to believe, but I did.\u00a0 My uncle told the Highway Patrolman, \u201cGive the boy a license, he can drive as good as anybody.\u201d\u00a0 It was during the war and he needed me to drive his truck on the farm.\u00a0 And he did.\u00a0 But the Ms. Sarah called me one day.\u00a0 I was out of college then so Jimmy was still in high school. I may be in high school and he called me one day and said, \u201cI want you to do something for me.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cFine, what is it?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cI want you to take my new Roadmaster Buick and go to Jackson and pick up a friend of mine.\u201d\u00a0 And incidently, it was the first air conditioned car in Merigold.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, I bet that was a nice ride.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a nice rice to Jackson in air conditioning.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But that was an interesting story.\u00a0 I remember the first gear shift on the steering wheel.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh my.\u00a0 Well what about house parties?\u00a0 Oh, well, let me back up.\u00a0 You said ya\u2019ll moved to town \u2013 to Cleveland?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We moved to Cleveland in \u201967.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now where did ya\u2019ll move to?\u00a0 What was that address?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We moved to Robinson Drive.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Robinson Drive yeah.\u00a0 New subdivision.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And when I first came to Cleveland I lived on (inaudible).\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember whether that house is still there, do you?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s back up to the bayou, the next to the last house on the left.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is that where the Hubbell built\u2026<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On down beyond that.\u00a0 Down on the other side.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What brought you to Cleveland?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well my cousin lived in Rosedale and he was a good friend of Orin Taylor who was at Baxter, Personnel Manager.\u00a0 And he decided that I needed to come down here.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And she was recently divorced.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was living in West Plains, Missouri with my mother so I went and interviewed, got the job and we moved down here.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We, who\u2026<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My mother.\u00a0 My mother and I.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And so ya\u2019ll bought a house on Pearman?\u00a0 Or did you rent?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Rented.\u00a0 And I think Margaret Green found a house for us, I\u2019m not sure.\u00a0 I believe that\u2019s how we got that house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, can you tell us how Margaret Green Jr. High is named for Margaret Green?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t really know.\u00a0 She was acting on the school board.\u00a0 Margaret Green. Margaret was named for her.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Because of her actions on the school board. She was a member of the school board and she was a long time member of the school board, and very active and very outspoken.\u00a0 And really pushed the \u2013 for the school.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was it that Bishop Gray said about her?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t recall.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Something about that she was so smart that she didn\u2019t have to let you know how smart she was.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I want to be that smart.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember, I think the area around the courthouse has changed a lot.\u00a0 Do you remember anything about that area?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not really.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not really.\u00a0 Course the Baptist Church Building, you go to church there, so, I just don\u2019t remember.\u00a0 I remember when the Bean Counter was the service station. And a very active service station.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember when Booth had it?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A man named A.B. Booth.\u00a0 He was from Merigold.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do ya\u2019ll happen to remember Amzie Moore?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Amzie Moore?\u00a0 I remember the name.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember his gas station?\u00a0 Didn\u2019t he have a service station on the highway?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 If it was it was back over that section.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It just occurred to me to ask.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there a drive in restaurant somewhere around here?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah. Right where the Commerce Building is, where Leland Speakes is.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, and they had the best hamburgers.\u00a0 I\u2019d like to have one right now.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019d tell you the name, but I\u2019m blank all of a sudden.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I am too.<\/p>\n

(Inaudible Conversation)<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Lord how mercy.\u00a0 As many times.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was the name of the other hamburger place by the high school?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh that was the Dairy Queen \u2013 the Keen Freeze.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Keen Freeze.\u00a0 The Keen Freeze.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll eat at the Keen Freeze?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah, yeah.\u00a0 The Keen Freeze.\u00a0 I was going to tell you the Keen Freeze.\u00a0 And what was the name of the drive in?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bob\u2019s Drive In?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bob\u2019s Drive In.\u00a0 I ate there many times.\u00a0 Right there where the Commerce Building is now.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have ya\u2019ll heard about Redman\u2019s Boarding House?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not really.\u00a0 Is that the one where Molly\u2019s Bed and Breakfast is?\u00a0 Okay, tell us Mrs. Redman.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mrs. Redmon was in there where Levingston\u2019s Furniture is.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, yeah.\u00a0 My daddy used to talk about that.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, she served \u2013 Mrs. Redmon\u2019s Boarding House.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A lot of people ate there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A lot of people ate there.\u00a0 She was famous for the table she set.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it a community table?\u00a0 Where you all sat together?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 I never ate there. Mama always told me she\u2019d say, \u201cYou\u2019ve got dinner at home.\u201d\u00a0 Mrs. Redman\u2019s Boarding House was well known.\u00a0 She had rooms for people but also the noon meal was open for anybody that wanted to come by.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did people still live in the houses on North Pearman or were they offices?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were still houses.\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah where Glen, Attorney Williams office is now, that was Margaret\u2019s \u2013<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, it was not Margaret\u2019s.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Povall?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Are you talking about Mark Koonce?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, it is the building south of there.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, that was the one that they moved there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I said it is not that house, the house has been torn down.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Whose house?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The one that Barbie and Phillip had.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, they renovated it.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay. Alright.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mimi and her husband.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes they did.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I promise you.\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 Don\u2019t argue with me about a house.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You drive in to the back \u2013 how do you get to it?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There was a front porch and there always a front porch on that house.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m talking about the parking lot or Barbie and Phillip?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The house now beside them was moved from over on, (inaudible) the next one over (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I surrender.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hilda moved that house there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know.\u00a0 I\u2019m not saying that was the house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hilda moved which house?\u00a0 The one next to first house?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That used to be the Baptist parsonage and they moved it there.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Hilda Povall moved it?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh huh.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did she do that and why did she do that cause that\u2019s not their office?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not many years ago.\u00a0 Where Glen Williams office is.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It looks like it has always been there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why did she move it?\u00a0 To save it?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 She couldn\u2019t stand for it to be torn down.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was it?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably as far as she could find out, it was probably one of the oldest, if not the oldest house in Cleveland, and she just couldn\u2019t stand for it to be torn down.\u00a0 Did a lot of research and all and when they had to replace door knobs or anything else they got copies of that era.\u00a0 And I think Mimi did the same with the other one.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there a house there before she moved it or was that an empty lot?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was an empty lot.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was where, is it the funeral home that is right next to it?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thweatt-King.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was there before?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t ever remember anything.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I just remember where Thweatt-King was.\u00a0 Thweatt-King Funeral Home was there for years.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And it was originally Mr. Thweatt\u2019s I guess.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, it was really Mr. Thweatt\u2019s before Martin King married Mr. Thweatt\u2019s daughter.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That will change a name.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And that\u2019s Martin King who was the mayor?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Sue his wife, was Mr. Thweatt\u2019s daughter.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Now somebody that can tell you a lot about Cleveland is Sue King.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We are looking forward to talking to her.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And LePoint Smith.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 LePoint would make a good.<\/p>\n

CR\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Leland Speakes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019ll get him.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He said he would talk.\u00a0 I talked to him and he said he would do it but he was on a airplane headed to Argentina right now.\u00a0 Going hunting.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh gosh.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He goes hunting.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He goes down there every year.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A bird hunter.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We don\u2019t have birds up here?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well yeah, but not this time of the year. They will kill a thousand birds. And they give them to the natives. They are edible birds.<\/p>\n

EM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you think of anybody else that was active in the church?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There were a lot of people.\u00a0 Hattie Bell Hallam is one of the old, old ones.\u00a0 And then Delia was a little active, her daughter.\u00a0 What was her name?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, Gary.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, I know where they live.\u00a0 They live on Court Street.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where on Court Street.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The house that has been recently renovated.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, that was the schoolteacher. Mrs. Ann, her cousin.\u00a0 Lee lives there.\u00a0 I can\u2019t think of her name.\u00a0 Mrs. Glassco.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mrs. Effie Glassco.\u00a0 Lee Speakes is living there now.\u00a0 He bought the house.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Pat Kirkland lives where the Gary\u2019s lived.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who is that?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The place where there is no yard, there are plants out there on the porch.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On the south side of Court.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, the south side of Court.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s about the second or third somewhere up in there?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know, I\u2019ll never forget, I might have talked about this earlier where there was a slough in there and going to Alyce Richardson\u2019s house, the first time I went there when she and Rich were married, I knew Alyce West before she married Richardson, he\u2019s dead now.\u00a0 But anyway, there was a dead end street.\u00a0 Deering dead ended at her house.\u00a0 There have been a lot of changes down there.\u00a0 And of course nothing to amount to anything past Sixth.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 You\u2019ve seen Cleveland grow then?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh gosh yes.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you like how it\u2019s grown?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah, I do.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019ve stayed kind of tight here locally.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, but recently they\u2019ve started building some of the bigger nicer homes out\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Way out.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And the town that I\u2019m from starting doing that, oh, thirty or forty years ago.\u00a0 So I\u2019m kind of surprised that it happened in Cleveland.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think we like being close together though.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think so too cause I used to think it would be kind of nice to live out in the country, but I don\u2019t now.\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Takes too long to get anywhere.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I tell you every time, every now and then we get in the car and ride around and every time I do, I find a new subdivision.\u00a0 I found a new black subdivision way out on White Street to the right.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t know was out there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well the one we found out there by the Sunflower River was (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Are you familiar with it?\u00a0 Do you know where Redwine\u2019s?<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you know where County Line Road is?<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Countyline Road.\u00a0 Going toward Ruleville?\u00a0 And the salvage yard there?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Alright, just past there you turn on a gravel road to go back east to go to the Sunflower River and there\u2019s some beautiful homes built right along the river bank there.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u2026beautiful.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What do you do to live out there?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think (inaudible).\u00a0 One of those subdivisions that you are talking about, I guess on the south side, what was that drug to lose weight and they found out it affected your heart, Phen Phen?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Phen Phen.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Maybe it\u2019s Phen Phen money that does those houses.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I thought it was Phen Phen that built that subdivision around Renova.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I did too.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well we sure appreciate your help with this, and if you find any pictures or you have any other \u2013 things come to mind, let us know.<\/p>\n

VR:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ll try to look, but it could be an Easter egg hunt or something, there could be a picture with that tree in it, that holly tree.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, any just \u2013<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019re going to try to have an exhibit in October, and we are sort of thinking\u2026.<\/p>\n

Tape Cuts off.<\/p>\n

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