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Interviewed by Emily Weaver and Dr. Cameron McMillen<\/strong><\/p>\n

Transcribed by W. Ray <\/strong><\/p>\n

 <\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This is Emily Weaver and I\u2019m with Dr. Cameron McMillen on the 30th of July, 2007 and we in Mrs. Julia Moore\u2019s home and we are conducting an oral history interview for the Historic Neighborhood Project.\u00a0 Mrs. Moore, do you willingly participate in this oral history project?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes, I do.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thank you.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I understand that you were born in Cleveland but you didn\u2019t grow up in Cleveland.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 I was born in what I call, James Albert Wiggin\u2019s house down on the corner.\u00a0 That was the hospital.\u00a0 Mama said they were building, what they call the new Cleveland Hospital at that time.\u00a0 It\u2019s now out at Delta State (DSU School of Nursing).\u00a0 And they were slower in building the hospital and I wasn\u2019t coming, so I was born and lived on Victoria.\u00a0 Lived on North Victoria.until I was two and a half and then we moved to the riverside.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the address on North Victoria?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I don\u2019t.\u00a0 I can pick out the house, but off hand, I don\u2019t know the number.\u00a0 When I\u2019m on North Victoria I stop and \u201cthat\u2019s the house.\u201d\u00a0 It was a little rental house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And how long have you lived in this house?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We moved in this house in 1973.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you said that you knew the history of this house?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right, I do.\u00a0 I have the abstract of the house that I\u2019m going to give you.\u00a0 This is 208 South Leflore.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thank you.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, these are wonderful.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you compile all of that?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My husband is a lawyer.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yes, that would make a difference.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I guess you see the first transaction on the house is in 1906.\u00a0 What we don\u2019t know and what the records do not indicate is did this S.T. Wright build the house and then sell it to Mrs. Webber, or was the house previous to 1906.\u00a0 The records don\u2019t indicate that.\u00a0 So we know the house is over a hundred years old but we are certain just exactly.\u00a0 And Dana\u2019s foot note says the next transaction was to a medical doctor and then the next transaction was to Mr. Myers.\u00a0 Now that becomes important because Mr. Myers and his family lived in this house from 1915 to 1919.\u00a0 They had a son and three daughters.\u00a0 Estelle Myers Bedwell.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if you ever knew her or not.\u00a0 She was called \u201cSister.\u201d\u00a0 And she and her husband lived \u2013 now I\u2019m going about this rather poorly, but they lived in the house on the corner that Lynn and Brian Varner live in \u2013 that was the Myers Home.\u00a0 They lived in this house and in 1919 Mr. Myers hit it big.\u00a0 It was dollar cotton.\u00a0 And he built the brick house that is on the corner.\u00a0 And he owned some property.\u00a0 He owned half of this block is what he owned.\u00a0 He owned a strip on Victoria, as well as, this way.\u00a0 And so the barns and the gardens and the stable, and whatever else is scattered over this property.\u00a0 As I said he had three daughters, and they got married.\u00a0 He built them houses on Victoria.\u00a0 So the house that Johnny Arnold lives in, the house that Margaret Fleming lives in, and the house that is directly behind me that we call the Ruby Rovenhorst House, he built for each of his daughters as starters.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They look very similar.\u00a0 We wondered about that.\u00a0 And that\u2019s why\u2026.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Starter houses.\u00a0 And then sold the lot \u2013 I think I\u2019m right on this \u2013 the house that Janelle Mitchell lives in, which is right next door.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got four houses.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She\u2019s in the white house.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got four houses.\u00a0 He sold that lot and that house at the same time period roughly.\u00a0 So you\u2019ve actually got four houses that look very, very much alike and that\u2019s why.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you know if he had a plan for the houses?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, no.\u00a0 The plans are not.\u00a0 So Ben added on to Ruby\u2019s house, was not.\u00a0 It was built. It is just a one bedroom \u2013<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It looks like a little cottage.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is a little cottage.\u00a0 That\u2019s what all of them were.\u00a0 They were really just starter houses.\u00a0 When we bought this house, Carol Tatum\u2019s house was not here, so it was open yard between Sister and Cullen.\u00a0 We had moved into the house, and I knew all the neighbors were curious as to what we had done to it.\u00a0 So we invited everybody down for a drink one night. And Gladys and George Woodward lived in the house that Michael Carr is in.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know, all the neighbors were here.\u00a0 And so Sister, the daughter of this Myers, was walking through the house and she was talking about living here.\u00a0 And she said, \u201cSon,\u201d that was her brother.\u00a0 She said, \u201cSon died in this house.\u201d\u00a0 A great flu epidemic and I think it was also 1919.\u00a0 I\u2019m not sure. I\u2019ve heard my mama talk about it.\u00a0 But it was during the day of World War I.\u00a0 And she said, \u201cHe died in this house, \u201c and she was standing here in the living room, and she pointed in that direction and she said, \u201cThe bedroom that\u2019s on the back of the house was on the front of the house at that time.\u201d\u00a0 And that was Son\u2019s bedroom.\u00a0 Well, the bedroom that was on the front of the house that\u2019s now on the back of the house was my daughter\u2019s bedroom.\u00a0 So I decided I would not tell her that Son Myers at about her age had died of influenza in the bedroom.\u00a0 And about two, maybe three months later, it was before Christmas I can remember that, one morning she came in for breakfast and she said, \u201cI have the funniest dream last night.\u201d\u00a0 And I said, \u201cWhat did you dream baby?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cWell I dreamed that I was in the bed asleep, in my bed asleep, and I woke up and there was a little boy standing at the foot of my bed.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cA little boy?\u00a0 What did he look like?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cI don\u2019t remember.\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cWell how old was he?\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cI don\u2019t know, maybe about my age.\u201d\u00a0 And she said, \u201cI asked him what he wanted.\u201d\u00a0 She said, \u201cI wasn\u2019t scared of him.\u00a0 And he didn\u2019t answer me.\u00a0 He just stood and looked at me.\u00a0 And then he turned around and he walked out the door.\u201d\u00a0 Well that\u2019s my ghost story for the house.\u00a0 I did not tell Kilby until she was twenty-something years old about the little boy.\u00a0 There was no way, she had no way of knowing that.\u00a0 I called Sister and I said, \u201cSister, your brother may have visited in my house.\u201d<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So y\u2019all actually physically took the room off?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, well, that\u2019s what I\u2019m getting ready to tell you.\u00a0 In 1919 you will see that the house was sold to R.E. Jackson and then you\u2019ve got this long footnote down here.\u00a0 Judge Jackson came to Cleveland in 1919 and he became Chancery Court Judge.\u00a0 And my husband as a young lawyer, was Judge Jackson\u2019s Chancery Court Reporter.\u00a0 And Judge and Mrs. Jackson lived here, it says until 1973.\u00a0 Actually Mrs. Jackson died, I think in \u201972.\u00a0 We purchased the house from her estate.\u00a0 But Judge and Mrs. Jackson lived here and the first time that I ever came in this house was to come as their guest for supper.\u00a0 And I told Dana, \u201cI want that house.\u00a0 I definitely want it.\u201d\u00a0 As I said, they bought the house in 1919.\u00a0 After World War II they remodeled this house.\u00a0 If you get on Victoria and look at the back part of the house, you can see how the house originally looked.\u00a0 There\u2019s a vast difference in the front part and the back part and that\u2019s because she remodeled it.\u00a0 She took that bedroom off and put it on the back.\u00a0 She did the roofline that you see that comes down nice and neat and straight and plain.\u00a0 She put the porch on the front of the house.\u00a0 She did the front walks.\u00a0 She did all of that.\u00a0 So, no, that\u2019s not how the house originally looked.\u00a0 And I don\u2019t know precisely what the exterior did look like.\u00a0 I have one drawing that was left in the house that had to do with the remodeling but it doesn\u2019t show what it was like prior to.\u00a0 It shows the sketch.\u00a0 I have one sheet of it.\u00a0 Probably there was a lot more of it that got lost.\u00a0 I found it in a closet that I\u2019m sure they left it behind for me.\u00a0 But at any rate, the Jackson\u2019s this is \u2013 folks that know Cleveland, this is the Jackson House.\u00a0 And I told somebody that maybe when I die it will be the Moore House.\u00a0 But I don\u2019t know that.\u00a0 From 1919 to 1973 was a pretty good stretch of time. I guess you ought to be able to claim it.\u00a0 But anyway, that\u2019s basically what I know about it.\u00a0 Not too many transactions really for a house this old.\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it common for people to move \u2013 I\u2019ve never heard of people moving a bedroom, or moving just one room.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You are welcome to go back and there and look because the windows are ten feet tall.\u00a0 These windows that are across this front were the windows that Mrs. Jackson put in.\u00a0 And I wish I had been in the house.\u00a0 I just don\u2019t remember.\u00a0 I was a little girl.\u00a0 I remember it being talked about.\u00a0 I remember Mama riding past the house to look and see.\u00a0 Because of course, she had lived in the neighborhood and she knew the Jackson\u2019s quite well.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have you made any structural changes to the house?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The house is exactly as it was.\u00a0 At one time, we were going to do something, and I got older and decided that I didn\u2019t care.\u00a0 I told some young person that was talking about this house and she said, \u201cOh, if you ever sell the house, da de da.\u201d\u00a0 And I said, \u201cYou young folks would come in and gut the back part of this house out.\u00a0 I know you would.\u201d\u00a0 \u201cWell why would I do that?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cYou wouldn\u2019t put up with my old fashioned kitchen.\u00a0 I don\u2019t have an island.\u00a0 You would not put up with my teeny tiny bathrooms.\u00a0 You would not put up with the lack of closets and storage space.\u00a0 I know what you would do.\u00a0 At one time I was young and thought about it and then I decided I didn\u2019t care.\u00a0 It was fine with me.\u201d<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have you seen many changes to the neighborhood?\u00a0 You\u2019ve been here since \u201973?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, basically the neighborhood is really the same.\u00a0 The people who live in the houses of course are different.\u00a0 The major change was when Carol and John Tatum, when Lynn and Brian Varner bought the Myers house.\u00a0 Sister Bedwell\u2019s husband had died and she didn\u2019t want to care for such a large house.\u00a0 As I said, we had that vacant lot between us and they sold the lot to Carol Tatum and I lost my view.\u00a0 I told John one time, I was standing in his study and I said, \u201cI can look out your window and see what I used to see.\u00a0 I used to be able to stand at the kitchen sink and see the front of the Methodist Church.\u201d\u00a0 And Sister and I also watched, she from her upstairs bedroom window, and me from my kitchen window, there were rabbits that would dance out in that yard.\u00a0 And when Carol and John started the house, the rabbits moved over here. \u00a0They backed into my back yard.\u00a0 And we\u2019ve got dogs and we\u2019ve lost \u2013 our rabbits left us. Our dogs didn\u2019t get them, but they moved out of the neighborhood.\u00a0 And very rarely do I see a rabbit.\u00a0 But other than that, the neighborhood just remains fairly well the same.\u00a0 Everything that was here is here except for that one house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And when did they build that house?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let me see.\u00a0 I am going to say about fifteen or sixteen years ago.\u00a0 That\u2019s a rough guess on my part.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about the alleys that runs behind all these houses?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s called the Long Alley.\u00a0 And it runs all the way from Sunflower Road to \u2013 it runs behind Penny and Willard Samuel\u2019s house, continues for about that block and then stops there.\u00a0 So we\u2019ve always had the alley.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do people use it a lot?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 You\u2019d be amazed at the amount of traffic. There is, down here, I call it the Galloway House.\u00a0 Again, I\u2019m using the old names.\u00a0 But you\u2019ve got James Albert\u2019s house that is on the corner of College and Leflore and then there\u2019s another house, and then there\u2019s the two story house.\u00a0 There is rental property back behind both of those.\u00a0 It\u2019s a rabbit warren back up in there.\u00a0 And so there are folks that live on the back and they will sometimes come and go up the alley.\u00a0 But of course all the garbage trucks and all that kind of thing and every now and then we will see a policeman coming through as they are checking for somebody that has gotten loose from the jail.\u00a0 They are double checking the alley.\u00a0 It is quite a luxury to have an alley really.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Has the rental property always been there?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can\u2019t tell you.\u00a0 They\u2019ve been there ever since I\u2019ve been here.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about fences?\u00a0 Does anybody have fences around their yards?\u00a0 Have you always had a fence?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah\u00a0 It was here.\u00a0 That\u2019s it structurally.\u00a0 Now the yard looks quite different than the way it did.\u00a0 Not the front yard.\u00a0 I say that.\u00a0 Mrs. Jackson had a lot of boxwoods planted down the front walk.\u00a0 And a number of them had died when we bought the property.\u00a0 So I dug the rest of them up and let it go solid, and the ivy that you see.\u00a0 But the walkway was here and you know, I guess I liked the house and it wasn\u2019t broken so I saw absolutely no need to fix it.\u00a0 The back yard is quite different.\u00a0 Apparently at one time it had a lot of real pretty flower beds and things.\u00a0 Those were gone.\u00a0 There was not a great deal \u2013 she was quite ill when she died.\u00a0 And she just didn\u2019t have the energy to do it and by 1973 there wasn\u2019t anybody much to do it for her.\u00a0 So the back yard doesn\u2019t look as it did.\u00a0 But essentially everything is the same.\u00a0 The old garage that you can\u2019t get a model car into.\u00a0 Oh you can get it in there, but not if you drove a SUV.\u00a0 You\u2019d be in bad shape.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You couldn\u2019t open your doors.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Plan carefully (inaudible) car porch.\u00a0 Where did you live before you lived in this house?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We lived on Maple Street.\u00a0 We started out on \u2013 the first house that Dana and I lived when we got married was a duplex that belonged to the Cleveland School District and it sat where Margaret Green Junior High sits and my first job was teaching school at Margaret Green. \u2013 at Cleveland High School.\u00a0 I could be at the breakfast table and hear the bell ring and be in my classroom within thirty seconds.\u00a0 They moved it, it was a duplex, and they moved it to build Margaret Green.\u00a0 And we moved onto North Victoria. My grandparents had lived on North Victoria.\u00a0 The house on the corner \u2013 it\u2019s a dentist\u2019s office there.\u00a0 What\u2019s her name?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ray.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, Ray.\u00a0 That was my grandmother and grandfather\u2019s house.\u00a0 And we lived two doors south of there in a little house that H.L. Nowell had built. You know H.L. Nowell \u2013 the Student Union Building?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Sue Martin King had lived in it before us.\u00a0 And Sue King is certainly somebody you need to talk to her.\u00a0 She is a rich repository of all things Cleveland.\u00a0 But anyway, they had lived in it and they had built that house and we moved into it and lived there for a couple of years and then we bought a house on Maple Street and lived there from, I guess, 1960 maybe until we moved into this house.\u00a0 So we have always have been in this old part of town.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that intentional?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Very much an intentional move.\u00a0 I like sidewalks and trees.\u00a0 I lived in the country for a long time. We didn\u2019t have sidewalks.\u00a0 And I thought I was pretty fancy and spiffy to have a sidewalk at my house.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A pavement.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Real pavement. And not just gravel roads.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you ever have any intentions of paving your driveway?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you like it?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s not broken.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, you know, I don\u2019t think a paved driveway goes with this house.\u00a0 That is an intentional something on my part.\u00a0 It needs some slag in it right now.\u00a0 It\u2019s on my list of things. I have a gravel walk in my back yard that rims the back yard that needs gravel to.\u00a0 Haven\u2019t done it.\u00a0 I\u2019ll get to it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In a home of this age, do you have any problems?\u00a0 Being an older house.\u00a0 Are there any differences in keeping it up as opposed to a newer house?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh heavens yes.\u00a0 There\u2019s always something wrong in an old house.\u00a0 You know, the ground shifts and the house settles and we have had major foundation work done.\u00a0 It did part of it but it didn\u2019t do it all.\u00a0 It seems like there is always a door that sticks today that didn\u2019t stick yesterday.\u00a0 And maybe they have those problems in newer houses.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember having them in the two newer places that I lived in.\u00a0 But it seems it always \u2013 I guess with a house it\u2019s always if it\u2019s yours.\u00a0 You\u2019re always needing to call the plumber or the electrician or the somebody.\u00a0 They are just my best friends.\u00a0 So you know, if you are one of those people that when you drop something and it rolls because the floor is slanted.\u00a0 You know old houses are just not for you.\u00a0 I happen to think that the high ceilings and all the stuff is worth that the fact that the floor is not even.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I notice that you have a fireplace in the living room and the dining room. Are there other fireplaces in your home?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 These rooms match.\u00a0 The dining room and my bedroom which is behind you are identical.\u00a0 And there is, there was originally a chimney in the middle of the house because there is another fireplace that backs up that one.\u00a0 They were all gas burning fireplaces.\u00a0 None of them were ever intended for logs.\u00a0 They are very shallow.\u00a0 So you know from that they were not intended.\u00a0 The chimneys are old of course and probably \u2013 we are constantly having to have something done to them because the mortar is dried and we have to have them sealed.\u00a0 Because when it rains or something, water comes through where the mortar would be.\u00a0 It is not coming down the chimney, it is coming through the mortar.\u00a0 And the foundation work we had to have, was occasioned by the fact that the chimney was trying to pull away from the house and fall on Carol Tatum, which we didn\u2019t think would be a very good idea.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And she probably didn\u2019t either.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And she didn\u2019t either.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t tell her until it was all over with.\u00a0 I didn\u2019t want her to worry about it.\u00a0\u00a0 There wasn\u2019t anything we could do.\u00a0 I knew we were working to finish as we could.\u00a0 But yeah, you don\u2019t have that problem in a new house I don\u2019t imagine.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You would hope not.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How tall are the ceilings?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They are twelve feet throughout the house.\u00a0 With the exception of this little back room that Mrs. Jackson used as a Breakfast Room.\u00a0 We have a little sitting room back there and it has a nine foot ceiling. It must have been a porch or something originally and then it was enclosed.\u00a0 But everything else has a twelve foot ceiling.\u00a0 Except this hall the ceiling was dropped in it for reasons I\u2019m not sure of.\u00a0 But sometime in the structural work that she did, they left the north hall with its twelve foot ceiling, but this one has a false ceiling there that workmen use to go up in the attic, when they have to go up.\u00a0 There\u2019s no storage up there because of the way the house has been remodeled.\u00a0 But every now and then, Robinson\u2019s Electric has to go up.\u00a0 We have a fan up there to blow the hot air out.\u00a0 They do not enjoy going.\u00a0 Because there are two ceilings up there.\u00a0 But for some reason, I guess for aesthetic purposes, she dropped that one.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know why she didn\u2019t drop the other.\u00a0 It hasn\u2019t bothered me.\u00a0 Fine with me.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You don\u2019t have to go up there.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t have to go up in the attic.\u00a0 And I just smile sweetly and tell them that I\u2019m paying them plenty of money.\u00a0 I don\u2019t want to hear any complaints.\u00a0 I know I will be charged for it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you think of anything else we need to ask about the house?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would it be raising her children?\u00a0 Would that be a good question?\u00a0 Did you raise your children here in this home?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have one daughter and when we moved here she was eleven.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She has lots of memories to acquire then.<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you mind if we took some pictures of some of the woodwork and things?<\/p>\n

JM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, not at all.\u00a0 And I was going to ask you if you wanted to walk through the house?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We\u2019d love to, thank you very much.\u00a0 I\u2019m going to stop this.<\/p>\n

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