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Interviewed by Emily Weaver\u00a0 and Dr. Cameron McMillen<\/strong><\/p>\n

Transcribed by W. Ray <\/strong><\/p>\n

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EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This is Emily Weaver and I\u2019m here with Dr. Cameron McMillen and Mrs. Jenny Lucas, and we are talking about the Historic Neighborhood in Cleveland, Mississippi. Mrs. Lucas, do you willingly participate in this oral history project.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Thank you. Alright Dr. McMillen, would you like to begin?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How long have you lived in Cleveland Jenny?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t live in Cleveland, but I did live in Cleveland growing up for 21-22 years.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were you born in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was born in Cleveland.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you lived there through your high school career?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What addresses did you live in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Growing up, the only one was 207 North Victoria.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you tell us a little bit about the neighborhood and the house?\u00a0 Who were your neighbors?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 North of me was Mrs. \u2013 Miss Elizabeth Smith.\u00a0 She was a single person.\u00a0 She and her father rented that house until he died, then she rented it from the Galloway\u2019s.\u00a0 South of our house, the Papasan\u2019s lived there while I was young.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How do you spell that?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 P-a-p-a-s-a-n.\u00a0 I think he was a barber and she may have been a \u2013 not an R.N., but some kind of nursing someway.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did your parents buy that house or did they build the house?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think they bought it in 1948 from a Somerville.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Somerville.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Lucy?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 In fact, I don\u2019t think she was a Somerville, I think she married a Somerville.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What do you remember particularly about that house?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was three bedrooms, one bath, kitchen, dining room, and a breakfast room.\u00a0 My mother had a business that she ran out of the back of the house.\u00a0 It was a Tom\u2019s Distributorship so we had a big building in the back of the house.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, had lots of snacks (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is it used as an apartment now?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t think that it is.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There is an apartment behind that house.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Then that\u2019s where we had the business.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there other businesses in the neighborhood?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, and I\u2019m sure that the neighborhood was just tolerant with mama having that.\u00a0 because eighteen-wheelers had to come back up into that small driveway in the night.\u00a0 They would come with their merchandise.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And nobody complained?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, no.\u00a0 They were just fine.\u00a0 They knew mother was running the business, my father had gotten ill, and they knew she had to have a living.\u00a0 So nobody complained.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did your mother live in that house until she went into the nursing home?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, she moved out when I moved in there, I think about \u201984.\u00a0 And I lived there until 1989.\u00a0 Then mama sold it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What differences did you see in the neighborhood between the time you were growing up and living there and the time you came back and lived there?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When I was growing up, just about everybody that I knew of owned their house on North Victoria.\u00a0 And when I moved back it seemed like a lot of rental houses by then.\u00a0 I just thought of the street having not the same kind of care in their houses.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did you stay after growing up and then coming back?\u00a0 Where?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I moved to Canton.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, okay.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I lived in Canton for many years.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there any annual neighborhood activities or memorable moments that you remember about North Victoria?\u00a0 In the neighborhood?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as the neighborhood, we didn\u2019t celebrate as a neighborhood.\u00a0 But at night, I remember growing up at night.\u00a0 All the parents would come out and sit and talk and the kids would play.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did most people have air conditioning in their homes?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not until I was about eleven.\u00a0 And we didn\u2019t have TV, so, as far as I know, there was only one TV on the block.\u00a0 The parents would go and watch Lawrence Welk and the kids would play.\u00a0 That was like every week.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Electricity comes from highway eight and everybody else gets their electricity from the same \u2013 I think it\u2019s a transformer in the middle of the block.\u00a0 Did you know that growing up or did you (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I never knew that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When the electricity goes off, everybody\u2019s goes off but hers.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember Victoria flooding a lot when I was young.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bad floods.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bad floods.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did it get in the houses?
\nJL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t ever remember it getting into our house, but it got into the warehouse and ruined a lot of our\u2026\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Tom\u2019s warehouse behind your house?
\nJL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 merchandise, because people were out in boats.\u00a0 I remember that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there a lot of children on the street when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Lots of children.\u00a0 And we all just played freely.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there restrictions on where you could go, or how far you could go, or what time you had to be home and that sort of thing?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m sure I had to be home by dark.\u00a0 I\u2019m sure I couldn\u2019t go off that block without asking.\u00a0 But up and down the block I could.\u00a0 You had to be in calling distance, had to hear.\u00a0 Had to be able to hear.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If you were summoned home.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What were the kinds of things you did for fun?\u00a0 Summer activities and school days and such?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was thinking about that.\u00a0 I remember Mrs. Beevers formed a girls club.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who was Mrs. Beevers?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She was Betsy Bobo\u2019s grandmother.\u00a0 And she lived across the street from you.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There would probably be 106.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 Just because in the future people won\u2019t know where.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m pretty sure it is 106 because the duplex is 108.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember her forming a girl\u2019s club and she would teach us how to do different things arts and crafts and things in the summer.\u00a0 I remember she taught us how to make hotplate holders with covering the material \u2013 covering coca-cola tops with material and then piecing it all together.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That kept you busy for a while.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We liked it.\u00a0 And there\u2019s a woman, she still lives there I believe, but it\u2019s on Leflore, and she\u2019s an artist and has taught art at Bayou.\u00a0 I can\u2019t remember her name, but she would do things with children, you know, in the summer.\u00a0 I do remember having Easter egg hunts in the neighborhood.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What would you do for Halloween?\u00a0 Would you trick or treat, or would you do anything in the neighborhood for Halloween?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Halloween was a big thing.\u00a0 We liked that.\u00a0 I know you asked about decorating for Christmas, I don\u2019t remember that.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you do a Christmas tree?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I mean, everybody did a tree, but not outside decorations.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember lights or anything like that.\u00a0 It was on a smaller scale I think.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was typical activities, extracurricular activities, did you participate in high school?\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll \u2013 where did you hang out?\u00a0 What did you do?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The people hung out at the Keen Freeze, across from Cleveland High.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was Bob\u2019s Drive In gone by the time you grew up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, Bob\u2019s Drive In was somewhere that I wasn\u2019t supposed to go.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why was that?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Evidently they sold beer there.\u00a0 But I, of course, had to go.\u00a0 And another activity was driving through Bob\u2019s continually when we were in high school.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did most everybody have cars?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 My friends, very few of us, no, I don\u2019t remember any of us having a car of our own.\u00a0 Now we could use our family car on occasion.\u00a0 But we did not have a car.\u00a0 And I didn\u2019t have my drivers\u2019 license until I was about seventeen.\u00a0 Because I wasn\u2019t going to \u2013 mama wouldn\u2019t let me use it \u2013 drive anyway.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So would you walk downtown?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019d walk.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Or ride a bicycle?
\nJL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Rode bicycles.\u00a0 But a lot of time we just walked.\u00a0 I was thinking when I was young and I lived on North Victoria I was little.\u00a0 I walked with a friend whose father worked at Denton\u2019s.\u00a0 And we walked from Victoria.\u00a0 We dressed up, you know, in high heels and all of that and walked to Denton\u2019s.\u00a0 We were little, like six or so.\u00a0 And mama wasn\u2019t scared to let us do that.\u00a0 I know I \u2013 we went up town all the time when we were young.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there any house on the block that \u2013 \u201cStop, you can\u2019t walk in that yard.\u00a0 You\u2019ve got to avoid that person?\u201d<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There was a Mrs. Hales where Brad Teague..<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s 105.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Her yard you needed to stay out of.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the duplex next door there at that time?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that an empty lot?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As far as I can remember it was.\u00a0 And then Mrs. Elmore\u2019s home, right there on the corner of Victoria and Court.\u00a0 You weren\u2019t really supposed to be in her yard either.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it because they were so (inaudible) or you just didn\u2019t want to disturb the women at home?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I didn\u2019t cross that line.\u00a0 My brother crossed the line, you know, and they would call my mother.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Didn\u2019t challenge that authority.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know my brother broke a limb out of one of Mrs. Elmore\u2019s trees (inaudible) and that was upsetting.\u00a0 And he picked all the flowers from Mrs. Hale\u2019s yard and that was upsetting.\u00a0 So we had to stay out of those yards.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there many fences in the yards as you were growing up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not that I remember.\u00a0 The only fences that I can remember was there on the corner, the other corner of Victoria and Court\u2026<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where the Sledge\u2019s live?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Correct.\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 That\u2019s the only fence that I remember.\u00a0 We thought of them as wealthy and that\u2019s why they had a fence you know.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Most of the church\u2019s right around there \u2013 was the Catholic Church still on the corner before it became a Presbyterian Church?
\nJL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember anything particular about any of the church\u2019s?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember that the Catholic Church was a mystery to me.\u00a0 I grew up in a Baptist Church and I remember going in there, they\u2019d leave the doors open.\u00a0 And it was a beautiful, beautiful little church. I do remember that.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember\u00a0 about the Presbyterian\u2019s \u2013 I know I remember it was there, I just didn\u2019t go into the Presbyterian\u2019s that I remembered.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the church a part of your social life?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was all of my social life just about.\u00a0 We always went to church every everything revolved around First Baptist.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible) even known Baptist\u2019s go to the youth groups and such or did you\u2026?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I stayed pretty much with \u2013 there was a big youth group at First Baptist and I think other kids came to our group, but we pretty well stayed within.\u00a0 Macklyn Hubbell who was the preacher when I was a teenager and he kept us busy.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Vacation Bible School and things like that?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Vacation Bible School was wonderful at First Baptist Church.\u00a0 Wonderful.\u00a0 I loved it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there a house where everybody congregated particularly?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, not that I remember.\u00a0 We played up and down.\u00a0 No, depending on who your friend was that, you know.\u00a0 But mainly we were all sweet on that street.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there a lot of sleeping over?\u00a0 Sleeping parties and things like that?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh huh.\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was some of the people\u2019s houses that you would stay at?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Bobo\u2019s usually.\u00a0 There was Marilyn Griffin Corbin lived on that street.\u00a0 She and I would spend the night and there was a Putnam Family that lived in your house that we \u2013 that I was friends with.\u00a0 Just girls my age.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And ya\u2019ll would get together and do girls things.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would ya\u2019ll ever sleep on the porches?\u00a0 Or were there porches?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My house had a porch at one time but it was closed in.\u00a0 Then we got air conditioning I think.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So it had a porch when you moved there?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We are interested also in porches.\u00a0 It seems to be a congregation spot in the afternoons for mama\u2019s to gather.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember that.\u00a0 By the time I was thirteen my mother went to work at the hospital so, the congregation she didn\u2019t do that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did she quit doing Tom\u2019s\u2026
\nJL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 and went to the hospital?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 So I don\u2019t remember the porch activities much.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you think that you would spend \u2013 I know that you\u2019re not in Cleveland you\u2019re in Merigold \u2013 but did you think that you would spend your life in this area?
\nJL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably not.\u00a0 No. \u00a0I was ready to go.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When you graduated from high school did you go then?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, I stayed and went to Delta State.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 And then you\u2026.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Married and left.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What do you think makes Cleveland a special place in which to raise a family?\u00a0 How old were your boys when you moved back?\u00a0 I know Matthew was a baby?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The other boys were like five and six.\u00a0 I just always felt like Cleveland was safe and I know my mother thought it was safe or she wouldn\u2019t have let me walk anywhere with friends.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you let your boys do that when they were growing up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, not so much.\u00a0 No.\u00a0 I know that \u2026.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When you came back and your boys were growing up, were there children in the neighborhood then?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And was it still a neighborhood where most people owned their house?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible).\u00a0 I just wasn\u2019t as trusting of the people as I had been.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it a different world?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Well when we were growing up, we all knew all of the neighbors.\u00a0 And they all knew all of us.\u00a0 They didn\u2019t hesitate to \u2013 they just acted like they were your mother or your father.\u00a0 They disciplined you if they needed to or told on you, and when I moved back there wasn\u2019t quite that sense.\u00a0 Times had changed.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you think of any local stories about Cleveland and about the neighborhood?\u00a0 When you were growing up?\u00a0 Were your parents from Cleveland?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 My father was from South Carolina and my mother was from Tupelo.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 How did they end up in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They bought that distributorship from Tom\u2019s and moved here and built that business up.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You said your dad was a barber?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 That was a neighbor.\u00a0 My father owned that distributorship and my mother owned it after he got sick.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Any other stories (inaudible).<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about parades in town?\u00a0 Holiday celebrations for the town?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know that we had parades every Friday in football season.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 High school parade?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 High school.\u00a0 Homecoming was a very big parade.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember that much about the Christmas parades when I was young.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know if we had them or not.\u00a0 I do remember one time though a community event that I\u2019m trying to find out more about, but they had all the children\u00a0 – it was a patriotic thing.\u00a0 I was probably five or six and it was on the field at the football field.\u00a0 And it was a big deal because everybody and every grade was in that pageant.\u00a0 It was a pageant.\u00a0 I don\u2019t believe anybody else can remember it very well.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember, you would have been five or six in 1976, but do you remember any particular activities on the 4th of July that year?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No I don\u2019t remember.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you have any pictures of the neighborhood, or your house when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Uh hmm.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you be willing to allow us to copy some of them to exhibit?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Inaudible) mama had them of the house.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That would be wonderful.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember we had a really hard time growing grass.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no, why was that?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 We played out in the front yard so much that we couldn\u2019t keep the grass there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Got it down to the dirt.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She had a hard time growing it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would ya\u2019ll have had a garden?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just mostly went to the grocery store?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, with mama being a single parent, she didn\u2019t have time to work and do a garden.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh sure.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But yes.\u00a0 White\u2019s Grocery \u2013 we probably went there every day.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not quite Kroger, but definitely everything you needed.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.\u00a0 And Mrs. White would either \u2013 she\u2019d tell on you if you tried to buy something that she knew mama wouldn\u2019t let you get.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you have a charge account and you could just go pick up stuff?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s nice.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019d be the meat for the day.\u00a0 Whatever meal \u2013 the main meal \u2013 you\u2019d go get the meat every day.\u00a0 Cause our refrigerator only had a little bitty ice box.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She\u2019s been asked most of these questions, do you have some?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, I may be out of time sequence, but would things have been delivered, were there any groceries or\u2026?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Milk was delivered.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that from Denton\u2019s or would that have \u2026?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m almost positive that it was Denton\u2019s.\u00a0 They\u2019d leave milk on the back steps.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the swimming pool closed when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember that at all.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it a time when you were growing up when you did lock the doors or you didn\u2019t lock the doors?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember us ever locking our doors.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 So the windows were open to (inaudible).<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If mama locked the doors I didn\u2019t know it you know.\u00a0 But no, we didn\u2019t have to (inaudible).\u00a0 I never heard of crime.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Well being so close to highway 8, I know it is a lot larger than it was then.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was there a lot of traffic on your road or down highway 8.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think highway 8 would be fairly busy.\u00a0 It didn\u2019t keep me from walking to school.\u00a0 I guess there\u2019d be a guard but you know, I started school when I was five and I walked the whole time by myself.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you go to school at Pearman?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you walk to White\u2019s Grocery?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You would have crossed highway 8 then.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 By myself.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It must have been pretty safe.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Or either she thought I that I was not going to get hurt.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 It had to be safe, she (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about the roads?\u00a0 Were they paved?\u00a0 Or would they have been gravel?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They were always paved as far as I know.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And when old highway 6 \u2013 was that highway 61 now here, or was it still the old highway 61 that went down Memorial and Leflore?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember anything but this highway 61.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember the other roads.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mama said when she moved to town, I think she said that all the roads were paved until you got to Fifth Avenue and not a whole lot beyond there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did she move to town?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They must have moved here I think in \u201940.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did they move into that house?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 They lived several different places before they lived there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you know where they would have lived?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They lived on North Leflore for a while in a house that is a single residence now, but was a duplex.\u00a0 You know how they lived with one bathroom and two families.\u00a0 Her kitchen did not have a sink so the water had to come out of the bathroom.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did she have to wash her dishes there?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 They didn\u2019t live there a long time.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I would have been so upset about just one bathroom in the entire house.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And two families shared that.\u00a0 And the wash, doing the wash.\u00a0 She could not have a washing machine.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But you lived at 207 North Victoria when you were growing up?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were you born in the hospital?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The old hospital.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s now the nursing school?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That\u2019s right.\u00a0 (inaudible) at the old hospital.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a small hospital.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You weren\u2019t in a room by yourself I hear.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Is that where your mother worked or did she go to (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She started back working at 65.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 I think that other hospital was already built, but it was only two-story then.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So she had the distributorship until she was 65 and then she changed careers?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She was always an RN but she worked with my father until sometime, and then she went back into nursing.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who was some of the people that you would have hung out with?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On that street or general?
\nEW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In general.\u00a0 I mean I know you have kind of covered your childhood playing from house to house, maybe just riding around.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible) group of us, most of them don\u2019t live here anymore but there was Sharon Davis. \u00a0Her mother was a first grade teacher.\u00a0 And Barbara Robinson \u2013 Robinson Electric \u2013 that family.\u00a0 And Nancy Faulkner, that was my best friend.\u00a0 Her mother lived on Bolivar.\u00a0 Those were the closest friends and we all went to the Baptist Church.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And ya\u2019ll would ride around and see everybody.\u00a0 Who would drive?\u00a0 Or whose car did ya\u2019ll\u2026<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably Nancy\u2019s because her mother was the only one would \u2026.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let you ride.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think she actually got a car.\u00a0 I think she did.\u00a0 It was not a good car cause we all had to get in on one side.\u00a0 But it was A car.\u00a0 And drove around and around and around.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well what about dances?\u00a0 Were there dances?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There were dances up until \u2013 at the high school after every game there was a dance.\u00a0 Up until I think \u201968.\u00a0 I graduated in \u201969.\u00a0 As soon as we integrated, they stopped almost immediately.\u00a0 We had a junior \u2013 we still were part \u2013 when they had junior-senior games when you would carry in the flower rope.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I didn\u2019t know about that.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You didn\u2019t know about the flower\u2026 That was a nice tradition.\u00a0 I think the seniors would carry it in and the seniors would carry it out.\u00a0 Taking over then.\u00a0 But you made it out of magnolias and some of those flowers that bloom in May on a bush.\u00a0 Hydrangea\u2019s.\u00a0 They were beautiful.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I love hydrangea\u2019s.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We would make it.\u00a0 But I\u2019m wondering if we weren\u2019t about the last class that did that. And the girls wore a certain color like pastel\u2019s, or if you were a senior you wore white.\u00a0 And then when my sister was growing up they had that and they would wear formal dresses.\u00a0 Because there were pictures of her carrying the rope with a formal dress on.\u00a0 And it was so pretty.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would there have been some kind of (inaudible) to carry it into or out of?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We did it on the football field.\u00a0 It was class night.\u00a0 And I know there would have been singing and just kind of turning over the torch, you know to the juniors.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was special.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was a nice tradition.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 What do you enjoy \u2013 do you like how you\u2019ve seen Cleveland grow?\u00a0 I mean coming back to the town after a while after being gone from here, are you proud of where it has come?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think Cleveland is a wonderful town.\u00a0 I do. I think it is really pretty.\u00a0 It\u2019s the nicest town in the delta.\u00a0 The cleanest town around.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You see the street sweeper all the time.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It is really a nice delta town.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We (inaudible) try.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Delta State adds to it.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What do you think makes it special?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I guess the town has had good leadership.\u00a0 That\u2019s what I credit it to.\u00a0 They\u2019ve kept it up, kept \u2013 probably the Chamber has done their part (inaudible).\u00a0 Businesses here and it hasn\u2019t died.\u00a0 I was looking at some statistics a while ago.\u00a0 I think Cleveland has decreased in population, but it seems like our downtown has stayed pretty vibrant.\u00a0 And we have a shopping area.\u00a0 I think people come here and shop.\u00a0 Definitely do.\u00a0 You know when I was growing up I don\u2019t think we had but two places that I would call nice.\u00a0 Out there on the highway where KC\u2019s there was a Michael\u2019s. It was called Michael\u2019s.\u00a0 And I can\u2019t remember the name of the other place, but there were only two.\u00a0 Not (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not quite so much eating out as these days.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible)<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (inaudible) cooking at home.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We didn\u2019t go out at all much.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Except for (inaudible).<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you eat at your friends houses?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 A lot.\u00a0 My best friend, Nancy\u2019s mother, (inaudible), this was back in the time, but they had a maid and she cooked.\u00a0 She was a wonderful cook.\u00a0 And then there was another.\u00a0 It was a male friend, and his mother cooked.\u00a0 And she was a wonderful cook.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And where did Nancy live?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 On South Bolivar.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Which house would she have lived in?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think it\u2019s 305.\u00a0 Next to the Wheeler House. South of the Wheeler House.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Her name was Nancy\u2026<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Faulkner.\u00a0 She doesn\u2019t live here anymore.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 (Inaudible)<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Her maid\u2019s name, she\u2019s dead now, but she was a wonderful cook.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would she have come in just for the day?
\nEW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The cook.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She did everything.\u00a0 She was just everything to them.\u00a0 She reared the children.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, well you\u2019ve done very well.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would most of the people in your neighborhood had maids?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You know, I really don\u2019t remember that.\u00a0 I know we did.\u00a0 Until mama went back \u2013 went to work at the hospital, we did.\u00a0 Had someone full time that cooked.\u00a0 After mama went back to working, I guess our financial situation changed and we didn\u2019t.\u00a0 But yes, I would believe that \u2013 mama tells a tale that, you know I was telling you about (inaudible) before that she lived (inaudible).\u00a0 She had my brother.\u00a0 She stayed in bed like for two weeks.\u00a0 My mother had someone.\u00a0 My grandmother came.\u00a0 My mother had a maid and then she also had someone come in at night specifically to take care of the baby. Can you imagine having all that help?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just to raise one baby.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But she did.\u00a0 And they were not in a wealthy family and that was just how you did it.\u00a0 My grandmother didn\u2019t think all of that was necessary but my mother did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So how many are there of you?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Four. Just four.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you had an older brother.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The youngest.\u00a0 A sister and two brothers.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, that was a good mix.\u00a0 Do they all live here?<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My brothers are dead, and my sister lives in Arizona.\u00a0 She left Cleveland when she was eighteen.\u00a0 Cleveland hasn\u2019t been her home in a long time \u2013 about fifty years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I had fun.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019m good.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well thank you very much.\u00a0 We appreciate your time and all the information.<\/p>\n

JL:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Love to talk about it.<\/p>\n

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