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Jody A. Correro, Jr. Oral History<\/span><\/h1>\n[\/vc_column_text][divider line_type=”No Line”][page_submenu alignment=”center” sticky=”true” bg_color=”#008542″ link_color=”#ffffff”][page_link link_url=”https:\/\/www.deltastate.edu\/library\/manuscripts-and-guides\/” title=”Manuscripts & Subject Guides<\/strong>” id=”1682630551583-3″ tab_id=”1682630551583-9″] [\/page_link][page_link link_url=”https:\/\/www.deltastate.edu\/library\/guides-to-the-collection-page\/” title=”Collections Portal<\/strong>” id=”1682630551591-5″ tab_id=”1682630551591-9″] [\/page_link][page_link title=”Visit<\/strong>” id=”1682630559045-6″ tab_id=”1682630559046-7″ link_url=”https:\/\/www.deltastate.edu\/library\/departments\/archives-museum\/visit\/”][\/page_link][page_link title=”Make a Request<\/strong>” id=”1682630560224-6″ tab_id=”1682630560225-9″ link_url=” https:\/\/www.deltastate.edu\/library\/departments\/archives-museum\/requests\/”][\/page_link][page_link title=”About Us<\/strong>” id=”1682630560931-1″ tab_id=”1682630560931-1″ link_url=”https:\/\/www.deltastate.edu\/library\/departments-archives-museum-about-us\/”][\/page_link][page_link title=”Yearbooks Online<\/strong>” id=”1682630561729-0″ tab_id=”1682630561730-9″ link_url=”https:\/\/www.deltastate.edu\/library\/departments\/archives-museum\/yearbooks-alumni-magazines-delta-state-histories\/”][\/page_link][\/page_submenu][\/vc_column][\/vc_row][vc_row type=”in_container” full_screen_row_position=”middle” column_margin=”default” column_direction=”default” column_direction_tablet=”default” column_direction_phone=”default” scene_position=”center” text_color=”dark” text_align=”left” row_border_radius=”none” row_border_radius_applies=”bg” overlay_strength=”0.3″ gradient_direction=”left_to_right” shape_divider_position=”bottom” bg_image_animation=”none”][vc_column column_padding=”no-extra-padding” column_padding_tablet=”inherit” column_padding_phone=”inherit” column_padding_position=”all” column_element_spacing=”default” background_color_opacity=”1″ background_hover_color_opacity=”1″ column_shadow=”none” column_border_radius=”none” column_link_target=”_self” gradient_direction=”left_to_right” overlay_strength=”0.3″ width=”1\/1″ tablet_width_inherit=”default” tablet_text_alignment=”default” phone_text_alignment=”default” bg_image_animation=”none” border_type=”simple” column_border_width=”none” column_border_style=”solid”][vc_column_text]Interview with Jody A. Correro Jr. July 18, 2007 OH# 374 <\/strong><\/p>\n

Interviewed by Emily Weaver\u00a0 and Dr. Cameron McMillen<\/strong><\/p>\n

Transcribed by W. Ray <\/strong><\/p>\n

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EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 This is Emily Weaver and I\u2019m with Dr. Cameron McMillen and Jody Correro on the 18th of July, 2007 and we are discussing the Historic Neighborhood Oral History Project. Mr. Correro, do you willingly participate in this oral history project?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I surely do.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Great.\u00a0 Well, let\u2019s get started with some general questions.\u00a0 Can you tell me your full name?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Joseph Anthony Correro Jr.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And could you spell Correrro for us.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 C-o-r-r-e-r-o.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, and what is your current occupation?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I am a part-timer, full time retired, but I do work with FEMA, occasionally with the Cleveland News Leader and I also, an adjunct with the English Department of Languages and Literature here at Delta State handling correspondence classes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, and before, what did you retire from?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I retired from Delta State in 2002.\u00a0 I worked in the Office of University Relations as it is called today.\u00a0 I worked in that office for 27 years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 And what is your current residence?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My current residence is here in Cleveland at 1415 Terrace Road.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, let\u2019s just jump right in.\u00a0 How long have you lived in Cleveland?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, except for a short period, over sixty-one years, I worked with various newspapers over the state of Mississippi.\u00a0 I served a little, fourteen months, with the Delta Democrat Times after graduation.\u00a0 Delta State in 1968.\u00a0 Then my wife and I, who was expecting our first child at that time, moved to McComb, Mississippi.\u00a0 And we stayed there from August of 1969 to August 1971.\u00a0 And then we pulled up roots and went to Chicago, Illinois where I was employed by the Illinois Central Railroad in their corporate relations department as a writer, photographer, and associate editor.\u00a0 Came back to Mississippi about one year later, a little less than one year later, and worked for the Greenwood Commonwealth newspaper from May of \u201972 to February \u201974.\u00a0 And that kind of ended my journalism career.\u00a0 Stayed in car sales there with a friend of mine for about fifteen months, and then we moved back to Cleveland in 1975.\u00a0 August 1, 1975.\u00a0 And we\u2019ve been living here since.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, let\u2019s go back to your first address in Cleveland, I guess when you were born.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My first address, I guess the house is still there.\u00a0 It was 105 South Second Avenue.\u00a0 It was just off the north end of, the Strange\u2019s Park, many people do not realize today that that\u2019s called Strange\u2019s Park.\u00a0 The block between First and Second Avenue, and what used to be Lamar Street, used to run through there and separate Strange from Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 It was later closed off.\u00a0 When I was thirteen months old so I\u2019m told, mom and dad moved down to 304 South Second, which is on the west side of Second Avenue facing Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 And I lived in that house until I was married in June \u2013 September 1968.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, so you spent your childhood in that house?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you tell us a little bit about growing up?\u00a0 So close to the park I\u2019m sure that was a very busy spot.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, my earliest memories are of Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 The street in front of our home was sort of a graveled dusty street and so as much as I recall, First Avenue on the other side, and once or twice a year the city would have a crew come in there since it got so dusty in the summertime, they would drive these tar trucks around and they would spray that gooey stuff on to keep the dust from you know.\u00a0 Most people had no air conditioning then so they had their windows up but they didn\u2019t want the cars coming by the dust billowing the dust up and getting in their homes.\u00a0 That was a great story there because all the kids I know that was just like I am \u2013 I was then.\u00a0 Mama and daddy said, \u201cDon\u2019t go out in there and get that stuff on your feet.\u201d\u00a0 And that was the signal to go do it.\u00a0 And my dad had to clean my feet with either kerosene or turpentine to get that black tar off my feet.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You would definitely get in trouble for that.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when the street was paved?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The street was paved in 1952 I believe.\u00a0 I know that the mothers that lived around Fireman\u2019s Park would actually fix supper and take it out to the men that were working on that.\u00a0 Because they worked into the night, I do remember that.\u00a0 The streets have been paved since 1952.\u00a0 And we had real bad rains back then and there was no \u2013 the storm sewer system was not large enough to handle deluges like we would get.\u00a0 I\u2019ve been to the whole Catholic Church from my house in a boat before across that Strange\u2019s Park or either down Second and across Maple and the Catholic Church then was on Court Street.\u00a0 The corner of Court and First Avenue.\u00a0 That was my earliest memories.\u00a0 That was not the first Catholic Church however, but that\u2019s the one I grew up in.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was the first one?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The first one was over on Collins Street, across what used \u2013 everything was across the railroad track or this side of the railroad track.\u00a0 But this \u2013 do you know where there is a restaurant down there, what is that Cameron, the restaurant?\u00a0 Used to be Pickled Okra or something.\u00a0 It may be Pickled Okra. That side street there is Collins Street. And it one block down there and there was some buildings there, Kelso Cleaners down in there later.\u00a0 But that is where the first Catholic Church building was.\u00a0 It was a frame building.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s no longer there?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pardon?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The other one is no longer there?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did the one on Court and First Avenue move?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had a earth tremor, it was a quake, on the New Madrid Fault one Sunday morning.\u00a0 The church \u2013 this would have been 1967 I believe, 1967 or 68.\u00a0 The church was already being propped up and wired together and barred together and when they had that earth tremor everything in that \u2013 I wasn\u2019t at Mass I was at home that morning.\u00a0 I had already been to 7:00 Mass.\u00a0 But at the 10:30 Mass, that ended services in the church.\u00a0 And they moved over to a building adjacent to it.\u00a0 It was called our Parish Hall, and had Mass, Religious Education, weddings, funerals there and everything until they built this church.\u00a0 They moved into it in 1970.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The one on Bishop Road?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The one on Bishop Road.\u00a0 Our Lady of Victories, yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Has it always been Our Lady of Victories?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were both the Church and Parish Hall demolished at some point?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes. It was torn down around after that.\u00a0 It had to be because it was unfit structurally.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But the Parish Hall is gone too?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Parish Hall is there but it is used as an apartment complex now.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s on the corner of Court and First?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well the church was.\u00a0 The Parish Hall was between the church and the rectory.\u00a0 And the rectory is 510 Shelby Street.\u00a0 That building is still there as well.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 I have a quick question about the paved roads.\u00a0 So all the roads probably in Cleveland were gravel, or were there stretches of road?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, Court Street was paved back then.\u00a0 But this was called the Robinson Addition I think.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where you live?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, where I live.\u00a0 And when my dad died I was going through papers and things and I found a receipt my mother had sent to Cleveland Lumber Company I believe.\u00a0 And she was paying on that lot they bought down at 305 South Second.\u00a0 Daddy was in the service and mama was paying $5.00 a month.\u00a0 Daddy would send part of his check and she paid $50.00 for that lot there at 304 South Second.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 Wow.\u00a0 And did they design the house or was it (inaudible).<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a, pretty much they were all similar wooden type frame houses.\u00a0 Three bedrooms and one bath.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 Can you kind of give us a walk through of the house, the living room.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 The house as I said faced the street, Second Avenue.\u00a0 And that is facing east.\u00a0 The kitchen, there was a kitchen window that looked out across the park and just to the, alright I\u2019m looking out the kitchen window now, and the kitchen was sort of u-shaped up in \u2013 wait, that was after we remodeled.\u00a0 Okay, the kitchen was on the north side of the house.\u00a0 I\u2019m getting ahead of myself.\u00a0 Gas stove, sink that I remember my mother putting me up in there as a child and giving me a bath in a big old, I call it a roasting dish really for lack of a better term.\u00a0 But anyway, we, my brother, my sister younger than I am, we all had baths at one time or another in the kitchen sink.\u00a0 Off the kitchen there was a little small hallway that would go on back to the back of the house west, and off of it was a bath.\u00a0 No showers in those days.\u00a0 And then very small.\u00a0 And then if you went straight down that little small hallway you would run into one of the bedrooms in the northwest corner.\u00a0 There were six of us \u2013 eight of us living in that house.\u00a0 Three boys and three girls.\u00a0 (inaudible) oldest girl (inaudible).\u00a0 My youngest brother and my youngest sister wasn\u2019t born when they first moved in there but for a long time, eight of us lived in that house.\u00a0 And then made another left hand turn and there was a bedroom on the right and mom and dad\u2019s bedroom was the end of that hallway.\u00a0 And that\u2019s it.\u00a0 House couldn\u2019t have been much more than 1,100 square feet.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 So the three boys were in one room and the two girls were in one?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well I think when my baby brother was born in 1950, they actually had a baby bed \u2013 bassinet in there.\u00a0 Later a baby bed until he got (inaudible).\u00a0 There was a living room on the front side of the house that a had a door into the hallway and a door that led out.\u00a0 And off the kitchen to the north there was a step down door to the north and people next door were the Hancock\u2019s lived there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you spend much time in the house, or was most of your time outside with the boys?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the summertime we were in the park.\u00a0 Fireman\u2019s Park there.\u00a0 And we had that wonderful playground and it had a bandstand over there.\u00a0 Bands performed.\u00a0 The city asked a band to perform over there and I\u2019m sure, I don\u2019t recall but there were other groups that came in and performed on the bandstand.\u00a0 And it stayed there probably until the late \u201860\u2019s, early \u201870\u2019s.\u00a0 A storm came through there and it finally lifted that metal awning type top off and later they came back and built the shingled roof over it where it is today.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember getting air conditioning in that house?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 In 1959, I sure do.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were you excited about that?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 In 1962 mom and dad added a bathroom and what became the den area with some storage area.\u00a0 It had a freezer \u2013 a built-in freezer in the wall.\u00a0 You opened the door and it was an upright freezer and they extended and made the kitchen new on the east side of the house.\u00a0 The kitchen, rec area and another bathroom.\u00a0 Half bath.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So you were still living in the house at that time when these changes were being made?\u00a0 Did you live there?\u00a0 You got married in \u201969?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201968.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, yeah.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201968.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You got married in \u201968 though didn\u2019t you?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 They added that I remember.\u00a0 There\u2019s a date in the carport area there March 1962.\u00a0 One of us, I think it was my brother did it in the concrete when they poured the slab there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did y\u2019all often decorate for holidays or\u2026<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We always had a tree.\u00a0 A Christmas tree.\u00a0 And daddy was firm, pretty firm that we waited until right before, three or four days before Christmas to get our tree and decorate it.\u00a0 Advent was a time to prepare and Christmas and the days afterward was the time to enjoy it, the season.\u00a0 That was a big, big event when daddy would bring the Christmas tree home.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He would go get it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He would buy it uptown usually at a grocery store that Mr. Charles Feduccia owned, it was called \u201cThe Little Store.\u201d\u00a0 His son, Charles, has the Lee Street Liquor here today.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay, what was some of the things y\u2019all would do?\u00a0 Would y\u2019all \u00a0have specific ornaments that you had to hang?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, we did.\u00a0 There were special balls.\u00a0 You know they were all made out of glass or something like that.\u00a0 I knew I had a, there was a blue one that had white like it was painted on.\u00a0 I think that was before the days of air brushes and all that.\u00a0\u00a0 And then there was a little metal cross and that was like this.\u00a0 It was blue and it had a hook in it.\u00a0 And that was one of the ones that I liked to hang up.\u00a0 We had old, old, metal foil tinsel that we would put on the tree as well.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember taking any pictures or did ya\u2019ll have family\u2026.?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh we did take pictures.\u00a0 I do not \u2013 you know, I told you at one time seven years ago our house burned and we lost everything that we had in the attic.\u00a0 My other brothers and sisters probably have got things stashed away in their attics of things that we took there.\u00a0 Pictures that we took there.\u00a0 But yeah, I know.\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 The living room was the living room.\u00a0 That was where everybody \u2013 we didn\u2019t have television until 1959 also, yeah, somewhere along in there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were ya\u2019ll allowed in the kitchen when your mama was cooking?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 One at a time.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would she prepare three meals a day?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mom didn\u2019t go to work until my little brother started first grade, so that would have been 1957, \u201956 or \u201957.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 So she stayed at home with ya\u2019ll?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, she stayed until he got into school and by that time, two years later, well a year later, my other sister married and moved out in 1957.\u00a0 And my brother married and moved out in 1959.\u00a0 My oldest brother. \u00a0But mom cooked, and my dad cooked as well.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 He worked at the postal service for 38 plus years but we had a garden in the back yard.\u00a0 He worked that garden, he and mom.\u00a0 We\u2019d have butterbeans, peas, you know, tomatoes, squash, watermelons.\u00a0 Daddy loved trees and he had plum trees, figs.\u00a0 He would go down to the Mississippi Gulf Coast with the men\u2019s group and he\u2019d bring back a live oak in a paper cup, just enough to get it back home and plant it.\u00a0 There\u2019s still one in the front yard at the house there that we\u2019ve had for fifty years.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were ya\u2018ll allowed to help, or were you required to help?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the garden?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah, we all helped.\u00a0 We did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Good lessons learned out there in that garden.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yes.\u00a0 I learned to wear shoes in the garden.\u00a0 I was weeding one day with a three prong rake and I stuck it right into one of my toes.\u00a0 I\u2019ll never forget that as long as I live.\u00a0 It bled and bled and bled.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll all have chores around the house, responsibilities?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We were supposed to keep it as neat as we could.\u00a0 My oldest brother loved model air planes and trains.\u00a0 And our room was probably the junkiest room there because it had partially built airplanes laying on the bed, under the bed and on the floor.\u00a0 He had a big drafting board he put in .\u00a0 I don\u2019t know how we got that in that room, but anyway he did.\u00a0 Yeah, it was a close knit group.\u00a0 We knew all of our neighbors of course and nobody locked their houses at night.\u00a0 Like I said, we didn\u2019t have any air conditioning in the summer time, we would sleep on pallets on the floor.\u00a0 We had a screened front door and daddy would sit a fan over here and we looked like engines in a round house with our heads up by that door trying to catch a breeze from outside and a breeze off that fan.\u00a0 We would line up in that door on the floor.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 Had to survive the heat somehow.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I was going to say, being sort of a train buff,\u00a0 you could hear a steam engine from where we lived on Second, you could hear the steam engines.\u00a0 Working in the yard, or switching, or if they were just idling you could hear the clank and the shhh in the night of the steam engines.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Good night sounds.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 With all those brothers and sisters, would your house have been the meeting house of all of your friends or\u2026<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well if we could get a few more in there, yes.\u00a0 My sister had a family, two sisters, the Hill\u2019s, lived down, lived at 310.\u00a0 It was Susan and Martha and, they called her Gin, Virginia Hill.\u00a0 They all, they had something, all three of my sisters had something in common with them.\u00a0 They\u2019d be in our house or we\u2019d be in their house doing something.\u00a0 Their dad, my daddy would borrow Mr. Hill\u2019s jeep, Willy Wagon, because we didn\u2019t have a car.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not at all?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Not at all.\u00a0 To go see my grandmother\u2019s.\u00a0 One in Drew, later Clarksdale.\u00a0 They moved to Clarksdale.\u00a0 And then my mother\u2019s mother, they moved away right before I was born from Cleveland to Memphis.\u00a0 But daddy would always have to ask somebody if we went out of town to use their vehicle.\u00a0 And several times I rode up to Clarksdale or to Memphis on the train to visit.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh sure.\u00a0 That was an easy way.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And the post office was downtown then so you could walk?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The post office was where the Police Department is today.\u00a0 Yes.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 To get groceries or to shop, what would you do?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Like I say, there was that grocery store called The Little Store that Mr. Feduccia had.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And where was it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was on Sharpe Street down, let me think, it was closer to the Sunflower end than it was \u2013 there\u2019s a street that comes across right in between there \u2013 right at Abraham\u2019s from Central Avenue, we call it Cotton Row, but it was actually Central Avenue.\u00a0 So in relation to Sunflower Road here and that road cutting over it was right there in the 160 numbering process along there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And would they deliver the groceries?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No, they didn\u2019t.\u00a0 Daddy, many times daddy would walk all the way home with a pasteboard box with what he could bring home.\u00a0 But lots of time he would catch a ride home or somebody.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sure.\u00a0 What about your transportation?\u00a0 Would it have been a bicycle?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 My sister, my oldest sister had bicycle and that was the family bicycle.\u00a0 We all, I did, I don\u2019t remember about \u2013 and I think my sister got it that is just two years younger than I am, learned to ride that bicycle.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did you get a car?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pardon?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When did your family get a car?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had a grand announcement and I would say it was May, June, no it was earlier than that, in \u201959, and we told everybody in our neighborhood, First and Second Avenue, behind us on Third, that we were getting a car.\u00a0 Bringing a new car home.\u00a0 And boy we were lined up on the curb in front of the house and here comes daddy with this blue car.\u00a0 And I said, \u201cOh my God.\u201d\u00a0 But anyway, our first car was a 1949 Plymouth, 4 door, no air conditioning.\u00a0 Had a heater.\u00a0 It had belonged to Miss Hammett who taught English at Delta State.\u00a0 Daddy paid three hundred dollars for that car.\u00a0 I will never forget it.\u00a0 Later that month we put over 6,600 miles on that car.\u00a0 We went from here, the six of us in it, to Peoria, Illinois, and from Peoria, Illinois to Seattle, Washington, and from Seattle, Washington back home.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was the point of that trip?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was to see my oldest sister who had left, the first one who had left, and my mother had a brother who had retired, well, he had met a woman, his wife when he was in the Air Force in World War II and they settled down in Coulee City, Washington, which is in the wheat growing area, the desert area as I call it of Washington State.\u00a0 So we went to see them; stayed a week with them; went over on the west coast of Washington which was all green and pretty, mountains, and daddy had a sister who had gone after World War II and her husband out there, right outside Seattle.\u00a0 And we stayed a week with them.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was quite a road trip.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh unbelievable!\u00a0 Before interstate highways.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Fifty miles an hour?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Long days.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Daddy got a ticket, he wasn\u2019t speeding.\u00a0 He was in Utah, I will never forget.\u00a0 The officer said he passed a car with the yellow stripe inside his lane.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ya\u2019ll were on a mission.\u00a0 You had to get there.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We were.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did you go to school?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I grew up here.\u00a0 I went to Pearman School.\u00a0\u00a0 Old Pearman.\u00a0 It is no longer there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 One or two of the wings of Margaret Green were part of the old school.\u00a0 That portion of it is there.\u00a0 It was on Sunflower Road.\u00a0 It had a big cafeteria in the front and my mother played basketball.\u00a0 They also used it for the gymnasium.\u00a0 Miss Wade\u2019s first year to coach at Cleveland High School was my mom\u2019s senior year in high school in 35-36.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would you walk to school?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yes.\u00a0 Almost every day.\u00a0 Sometimes we would catch a ride with one of the neighbors.\u00a0 I figured it you know, it wasn\u2019t uphill and it wasn\u2019t snowing very often.\u00a0 We could make it.\u00a0 It was about a mile I guess from our house to Pearman.\u00a0 But the park was just a magnet for kids in those days.\u00a0 I mean it was a summer program there to get people \u2013 and I later worked and did it myself when I was going to school at Delta State.\u00a0 I did it.\u00a0 There were times when we counted as many as three hundred children out there in that period.\u00a0 So it was a softball, little league baseball \u2013 it wasn\u2019t a complex, but they used it for both sports.\u00a0 And I played there in the \u201950\u2019s down there.\u00a0 And then there was an old building.\u00a0 We just called it \u201cthe building.\u201d\u00a0 And they would come open it up and they\u2019d have all kinds of games.\u00a0 Pull out benches and tables there and do modeling clay and paper mache and they would have contests.\u00a0 They would have dress-up contests for the kids.\u00a0 They\u2019d have pet shows.\u00a0 You\u2019d dress your pets up and bring them over there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You said you did have a dog?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, Bob.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bob.\u00a0 You want to tell us about Bob?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Bob was a \u2013 I wrote \u2013 after I had seen \u201cMy Dog Skip\u201d based on Willie Morris.\u00a0 I wrote a little note and sent it to Beth Jacks that has this, she is the editor of this web site called \u201cThe Deep South USA\u201d and I sent her my dog Bob.\u00a0 I said, \u201cMy dog Bob was really a real dog and he was known in the community.\u201d\u00a0 I got emails from people that I hadn\u2019t seen in thirty, forty, fifty years after they had seen that.\u00a0 I had people call, I had emails from a guy in Europe, somewhere in Europe, a guy in Alaska, wanting to know, \u201chow did you do it\u201d but I mean, it just happened.\u00a0 You know, every day life.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But you said the priest at the church, the Catholic Church would \u2026.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 When he died they had a little in the church bulletin, \u201cBob Correro, in case you didn\u2019t know it, Bob Correro died, such and such.\u201d\u00a0 But my dog would follow us to church.\u00a0 We were only two and a half blocks away.\u00a0 And if some of us would go to 7:00 Mass on Sunday mornings and some of us would go at 10:30 Mass.\u00a0 And he would go over there with the 7:00 crew and come back and go with the 10:30.\u00a0 And if it was cold, he would come inside the church.\u00a0\u00a0 And just a very, very small area in the back.\u00a0 You came in the front door and there was a little area here and then there was a gas heater, forced air, and he would get right down just on the slab.\u00a0 The floor was cold.\u00a0 And that was his perch in the wintertime.\u00a0 In the summertime he just tried to find him a cool spot on \u2013 and he\u2019d move around.\u00a0\u00a0 But he always, he came to Sunday Mass twice every Sunday, I mean every week.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right there with you.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And he\u2019d follow me across the park, I was an alter server and he would follow me to Daily Mass in the mornings sometime.\u00a0 He\u2019d come over there in 1959.\u00a0 And that was a memorable year for some reason.\u00a0 So many things happened to us.\u00a0 A car, air conditioning, but we had one of those floods.\u00a0 We had about nine inches of rain.\u00a0 And of course all the streets, you know where the Griffith\u2019s live there on the corner of Second and Maple Street?\u00a0 It\u2019s a big white house?\u00a0 That\u2019s where the Kossman\u2019s lived when they were growing up.\u00a0 Ed, Juliet, Chuck, Chester and Carol.\u00a0 And I spent a lot of time at their house too.\u00a0 But that house would flood, it would get water in it every time it flooded.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no, like high water?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It would get in their house you know.\u00a0 They would have sand bags and everything else.\u00a0 And finally the Griffith\u2019s built a levee, of course they landscaped it, you can\u2019t see it as well, just to keep the water out.\u00a0 But we went to Mass \u2013 Jimmy, I think it was Jimmy Rocconi who had a boat.\u00a0 And he came by our house and said, \u201cWe are going to Mass. y\u2019all want to go?\u201d\u00a0 So daddy, me, and probably Pam, maybe Dot, I don\u2019t know if Quin was with us or not, he probably was.\u00a0 Bob swam in that water.\u00a0 It was deep enough for him to swim.\u00a0 And we went down Second Avenue to Maple Street.\u00a0 Turned on the north end of Maple Street.\u00a0 That\u2019s where Tom Wiggins and Mary Jane and their mother and daddy lived, down there at the end.\u00a0 And then around the corner there to the Church.\u00a0 Bring that boat \u2013 would come right up to the top step, almost the top step of the church.\u00a0 We\u2019d get out.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, sounds like you could roam just about anywhere you wanted to.\u00a0 Were there any restrictions as far as where you could go?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well you know we were supposed to be in at dark.\u00a0 In the summertime we\u2019d come in and eat supper and go back.\u00a0 Cause the ballgames were in the summertime.\u00a0 There was a game just about every night except Wednesday night I think.\u00a0 And we\u2019d play out there under the lights \u2013 it\u2019d be enough where you could see well enough to play on the park.\u00a0 We \u2013 one great thing that everybody did \u2013 it wasn\u2019t great at the time when I think back on it, but they sprayed DDT then for mosquitoes.\u00a0 We\u2019d run behind that truck or ride our bicycles behind that truck.\u00a0 We\u2019d run to the end.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Get doused.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Get doused.\u00a0 Clothes would be almost wet you know from DDT.\u00a0\u00a0 Didn\u2019t have mosquitoes like we do today.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well what about fences or yards that you just knew to stay out of those, or?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We climbed the fences anyway.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Were there many houses with fences or was it just..?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Barbour\u2019s down on the corner of College and Second, had a wooden fence around their house.\u00a0 The people behind us, the Mann\u2019s, had a son, Mark, and he had a sister.\u00a0 They owned Jay\u2019s Department Store.\u00a0 They had a fence around their house, cause my dog would roam.\u00a0 Back then there were no leash laws and Bob would go with us uptown.\u00a0 If he could get inside the theatre, the Ellis, he would come in there with us.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, the summertime especially cause it was air conditioned.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 Wanted to be there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll go to the Ellis a lot?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Ellis.\u00a0 We went to the Ellis and there was another movie theatre.\u00a0 The Regent.\u00a0 Right there between I would say the Pickled Okra and Simmons Walgreen Store down there, and the Vaughn\u2019s had a sewing machine shop.\u00a0 Mr. V.D. Vaughn I believe.\u00a0 But there was a Regent Theatre there.\u00a0 Because I remember my brother and I and one of his running buddies had gone to see John Wayne and \u201cThe Sands of Iwo Jima\u201d and there was a bad electrical storm and it knocked out everything so we had to get up and leave the movie.\u00a0 We didn\u2019t get to see the end of it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Have you ever seen the end of it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Don\u2019t want to leave you hanging.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But we walked.\u00a0 If we got brave enough we would walk across Jones Bayou on a sewer pipe.\u00a0 Because back then there were no roads across the bayou.\u00a0 Then College Street didn\u2019t go through, nor did Maple go through there by Lindsey Meador\u2019s and Gerald Jacks\u2019 old former law office there.\u00a0 That was the bayou went all the way down without a crossing.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, so your only crossing would have been Court Street.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Court Street.\u00a0 Memorial Drive and Sunflower Road.\u00a0 That was the only three crossings.\u00a0 And we would walk across there and saved a step or two.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember when they put those roads in, or what the point was.\u00a0 Obviously for transportation.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Traffic.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was it common for people not to have cars?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, I don\u2019t know if it was common or not, you know.\u00a0 I\u2019m trying to think who didn\u2019t have, most of my friends folks had cars.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did they have one car or two?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Most of them had one car.\u00a0 Some of them had two.\u00a0 The Lowry Tims family you know, they had two cars I know.\u00a0 Cause Mrs. Tims \u2013 and then later when the kids got up into high school they would get a hand-me-down or something like that.\u00a0 But for the most part, people had one.\u00a0 And like us, we didn\u2019t have any \u2013didn\u2019t have one until 1959.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But you still got everywhere you needed to go.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We did.\u00a0 We did.\u00a0 We walked.\u00a0 My dad, not only did he walk, his mail route all those years, he walked up to the post office to get there many mornings.\u00a0 And then if his route didn\u2019t start right there, and it didn\u2019t, he would walk with his mail already sorted in his bag and they would bring out the rest of it to one of those big mailboxes you used to see on the corners.\u00a0 Those kind of olive drab colors with U.S. Mail painted in gold letters on it?\u00a0 Before the red, white and blue and all that stuff.\u00a0 But he probably walked the total of more than a hundred thousand miles in his life.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, definitely.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where all would ya\u2019ll hang out besides the Ellis?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pardon?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 As you got to be a teenager, where would you hang out besides the Ellis or the Regent?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Keen Freeze was a hangout up there across from the high school.\u00a0 There was a place called Bob\u2019s Drive In, kinda, Ellis is facing Court Street and Bob\u2019s Drive In was right here where Leland Speakes and that one story office complex is there now.\u00a0 But that was Bob\u2019s Drive In.\u00a0 It was Vince Barbati I think and a brother, Robert.\u00a0 Anyway it was called Bob\u2019s Drive In.\u00a0 It was gravel all the way around it.\u00a0 And then back up, still in the same block and on the same side of the street, Mr. E.V. Brock and his wife had a caf\u00e9 and it was called Brock\u2019s Caf\u00e9.\u00a0 We\u2019d stop in there going to the movie and sometimes going home after.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the swimming pool where Denton\u2019s is now?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I do remember it.\u00a0 I never got in it I don\u2019t think.\u00a0 Never did.\u00a0 I came out to Delta State to the uncovered pool \u2013 it was uncovered then.\u00a0 You know just had a cyclone fence around it?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would that be where a lot of children would go or would be\u2026?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Country Club came along about \u201955 or \u201956 and a lot of them would go there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You would have to cross highway 8 to get there.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was that big?\u00a0 Big deal?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, it was just two lanes then see.\u00a0 It was just two lanes and it was gravel.\u00a0 Gravel road up, almost all the way up to the Country Club.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really.\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 Wow.\u00a0 Of the streets that we are targeting, the historic streets, do you remember visiting any of the people on Pearman or Bolivar, Leflore, Victoria?\u00a0 Going into any of those homes?\u00a0 Special events going on in any of those?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t.\u00a0 I remember the streets very well.\u00a0 I have a picture, it\u2019s just, it\u2019s nobody in it, but it is one taken in the back yard of the house where, on Second Avenue.\u00a0 And there were no houses behind our house then on Third.\u00a0 And very few on Fourth.\u00a0 And in the wintertime when the trees were bare, you could see the campus at Delta State, all the way from Second Avenue.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Wow.\u00a0 We would love to see the picture.\u00a0 Do you think you can find it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I have that little picture.\u00a0 It\u2019s a picture of my dad\u2019s weather rain gage thermometer is all it is.\u00a0 A louvered white thing up on stilts.\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know.\u00a0 That picture was taken in the late \u201840\u2019s I would say.\u00a0 But there was also, when we were kids another place we would like to come, right here where Sonny\u2019s is out here?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There was an old store, like it was a country store.\u00a0 Had a wooden front porch on it.\u00a0 Seems like it was just some concrete poured up like this and you could step up there and then had those double screened doors with Wonder Bread or Double Cola or something on there, and wooden floors all on the inside.\u00a0 And you could go in there and they had a drink box in a chest, and you\u2019d get your drink out of there.\u00a0 And drinks were a nickel then.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did ya\u2019ll have like a tab there?\u00a0 I know some people would have a tab.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Or usually we would bring our empties back and get credit.\u00a0 And if we would get, I think we would get I think two cents for the returnable bottle.\u00a0 We\u2019d go all over town and get a croker sack or somebody might have a wagon, and we\u2019d haul our bottles to the store.\u00a0 And sometimes we would get enough to go to the movie, and then anytime we could get a snack or a cold drink and a Moon Pie or Twinkies or what have you.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember the hospital that was down in the historic district on the corner of College and Leflore?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t.\u00a0 That was before my time.\u00a0 But one of my good friends whose home I did spend a couple of nights in was on Leflore.\u00a0 And it was the old funeral home.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was that?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 313 South Leflore.\u00a0 Let\u2019s see, Mr. and Mrs. Grissom.\u00a0 Jimmy was the youngest son, he was my age.\u00a0 Had a brother Edgar who is a doctor.\u00a0 And Tommy, the oldest, is teaching out in Washington State somewhere.\u00a0 He was a smart, smart, brainy guy.\u00a0 And they had a sister Gerri.\u00a0 Gerri married \u2013 the oldest Brown son, Curtis, whose dad had Brown and Sons, the junkyard\u00a0 Their oldest son.\u00a0 And Jeri and \u2013 I think they live in Arkansas.\u00a0 They left here, well, all of them did.\u00a0 They lived in \u2013 I don\u2019t know if it was Fletcher Funeral Home or what, but they told me it was the old funeral home at that time.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a funeral home and they lived in it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Well it wasn\u2019t the funeral home, but that was the building.\u00a0 Their home after it was the funeral home is what I\u2019m saying.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You don\u2019t normally see them doing that.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The hospital, was it on the southwest corner there where the stop light is?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It would be the northwest.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Northwest?\u00a0 That\u2019s where James Albert Wiggins lived.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Right.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But I remember, for as long as I can remember you know, that had been there.\u00a0 And I knew that mama and daddy talked about it.\u00a0 But I was born in this old city hospital over here that is the School of Nursing.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember hotels?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Grover?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Grover and then was there another one?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I remember Grover and the Pool Hall, City Grill. You walked into the Pool Hall and it had tile on the floor in there.\u00a0 And out in front of it, it seemed like it had \u201ccity grill.\u201d\u00a0 It had something in tile spelled out in the sidewalk there.\u00a0 But Cleveland was a division point for the railroad.\u00a0 And the crews would change there and sometimes, way back when, that\u2019s where passengers would get off and spend the night, at the Grover Hotel.\u00a0 But I can remember when it was just old dirty colored brick.\u00a0 It wasn\u2019t red brick.\u00a0 But it may have been weathered from steam engines and just weather and age.\u00a0 I hope Raymond Heurta does fix that up.\u00a0 He has grand plans for remodeling it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That would be good.\u00a0 So growing up, what were your feelings about Cleveland, the area.\u00a0 Ever a threat, or just a good place to be?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was a great place to live you know.\u00a0 Great place to live.\u00a0 The only trouble we ever got in was, you know, being mischievous you know.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well what were some of the things that you would do to be mischievous?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, we put large firecrackers in the toilets and flushed them and blew them off level with the floor in the restrooms over there.\u00a0 My sister and one of the Hill\u2019s \u2013 two of the Hill sister\u2019s and I, decided this woman who lived two doors down from us, was a witch.\u00a0 So we got our crayons and did the whole front of their house, the front porch, under the windows, all the way around with crayons.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What would ya\u2019ll write \u2013 were ya\u2019ll just drawing?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Just scribbling, yeah.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did you think that would release the demons?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It would do something to vex the witch.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We had to clean it off, I remember that.\u00a0 I mean we went all the way around to the back of the house.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh goodness.\u00a0 Ya\u2019ll didn\u2019t have much to do that day.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, that was the kind of mischievous things we did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh wow.\u00a0 Yeah, ya\u2019ll did get into it.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Let\u2019s see.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Who were some of the people you ran around with?\u00a0 You said you lived near Ed Kossman?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Chester and Chuck and I palled around.\u00a0 Kent Fletcher, whose mother and daddy owned Fletcher Funeral Home at that time.\u00a0 Was a real good friend, and still is, I stay in contact with Kent who lives out in Texas.\u00a0 His brother, Jack, lives here.\u00a0 Jimmy Grissom a little bit later.\u00a0 I mean, I went to school with him from the first grade at Pearman all the way through Delta State.\u00a0 And some of the older kids, my brother was nine years older than I am, but I know a lot of his friends because they came to the house too and they played in Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 Homer Sledge, Ron Sledge, Lloyd Brown.\u00a0 I lived next door to Lloyd Brown today.\u00a0 Jimmy Logan, seems like E.R. Raney was one of those.\u00a0 Bob Reagan.\u00a0 But they\u2019d get out there in front of my mother\u2019s house across the street and they had this half, it was a half a gross of cherry bombs.\u00a0 I mean those things are like a small grenade.\u00a0 And they would throw them at each other.\u00a0 And one time, somebody bounced one into one of the boxes and everybody scattered.\u00a0 I was a firebug too.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Run for the hills.\u00a0 Let\u2019s see, what do you think it is that has made Cleveland such a special place to be, to raise your family?<\/p>\n

Side B<\/em><\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There\u2019s always been a civic minded group of people that wanted Cleveland to be a good place in which to grow up you know.\u00a0 As far back as I can remember, Mr. Bishop, Mr. Wattie Bishop was the mayor.\u00a0 I don\u2019t remember anybody before him.\u00a0 Mr. W.C. or W.L. Dempsey was the Chief of Police.\u00a0 It was a safe place you know.\u00a0 Crime was almost unheard of.\u00a0 I mean, Cleveland had crime.\u00a0 The schools were good you know.\u00a0 I had the, it was just a great town.\u00a0 We had a good community.\u00a0 We had libraries, we had good schools, we had a good city park.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What made you decide to come back to Cleveland when you had been to Chicago and Greenwood?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I always wanted to work at Delta State and in Sports Information.\u00a0\u00a0 My three newspaper jobs I was the Sports Editor and those respective newspapers.\u00a0 And I loved Delta State athletics and when I was a student here I worked on the campus newspaper and the campus yearbook and athletics and did that.\u00a0 I wanted to come back and be in Sports Information.\u00a0 So I came back in \u201976 and started on my Masters\u2019 Degree for the second time.\u00a0 And I got a full time job in 1976 in that office and I stayed until 2002 and then right after I retired, Warren Byrd left Delta State right after the division of the L & L had implemented the Journalism program.\u00a0 So I came out of retirement and taught three years in Languages and Lit for Journalism and English.\u00a0 Mrs. Shawhan had asked me would I please do that.\u00a0 She came down to my office one summer, \u201cOh please.\u201d\u00a0 So I did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She was very convincing.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I\u2019ve done two things that I said I would never ever do in my life.\u00a0 And that was sell cars and teach school.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And you did it for a while.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 I did.\u00a0 And enjoyed it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, indeed.\u00a0 Probably a legacy with all the students you\u2019ve taught.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 She was in the first class I taught in \u201994?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u201995.\u00a0 First English class.\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 Let\u2019s see, Cam, do we have any more follow up?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 There was a, let me tell you, I don\u2019t know what it was, somebody else older than I am, Ned Mitchell might remember it, Ed Kossman.\u00a0 But up on Sharpe Avenue, we always said it was where they tied the horses up.\u00a0 There was this metal post and it had a kind of circular thing at the top of it.\u00a0 And it stayed there for a long time.\u00a0 I don\u2019t know when it was taken down.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where would it have been?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Somewhere between Western Auto and just north of Cleveland State Bank there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where was the Western Auto?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Western Auto was down, just below where Lowrey\u2019s Jewelry was?\u00a0 Clark\u2019s had it at one time and then they moved to their present location.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I know.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was there.\u00a0 Kamien\u2019s, Lowrey\u2019s, and there was another store.\u00a0 Then Western Auto and then the Camise\u2019s had a ten cent store there, they were an Italian family.\u00a0 And then there was Ward\u2019s Rexall Drug Store on the corner there where Neysa\u2019s Fireside Shop is.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But that\u2026.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Had a soda fountain in there and everything.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And there were doctor\u2019s offices\u2026<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Upstairs.\u00a0 Dr. Fitzgerald was my doctor.\u00a0 And Dr. Russell back there.\u00a0 Dr. Ringold.\u00a0 Dr. Russell was the one that delivered me.\u00a0 Dr. Jack Russell.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Can you tell me anything about Dr. Ringold?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He was \u00a0a character.\u00a0 Best I can remember.\u00a0 I never saw him in an act but I know that he liked to take a drink.\u00a0 And he was actually Delta State\u2019s physician at one time when the infirmary was in the bottom of Taylor Hall.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We have some great pictures of that.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you know what happened to him?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t.\u00a0 I know, seems like there was a shooting incident.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I heard that.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was he shot?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I heard that his wife shot him and that she was acquitted.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I can\u2019t remember, I don\u2019t remember what you heard.\u00a0 That may have been after I left Cleveland \u2013 I just can\u2019t remember when it was.\u00a0 But I remember him.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I live in his house so I am curious.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where did they live?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 109 North Victoria.\u00a0 But not where he was shot.\u00a0 He was shot in another house.\u00a0 They had moved and I don\u2019t know where they had moved.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 109 North Victoria.\u00a0 That\u2019s behind Homer Sledge.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s beyond \u2013 Homer Sledge is across the street.\u00a0 He\u2019s on the east side and I\u2019m on the west side.\u00a0 And I\u2019m a little further down.\u00a0 It\u2019s the Johnson\u2019s in the duplex and then where the Teague\u2019s live, which was Mrs. Holman\u2019s or Mrs. Howen\u2019s, something, and then Gene Bishop\u2019s house, and then mine.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay.\u00a0 That was one of my streets to walk to school, to Pearman.\u00a0 I\u2019d walk up Second one day, First one day, and Victoria one day.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember anything about walking to school or any of those streets that was particularly\u2026.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The other day we were riding up town and I told my son and I told my wife this story too.\u00a0 I said, \u201cYou see those concrete \u2013 pieces of concrete stacked up there?\u201d\u00a0 I said, \u201cThose were there when I walked to school.\u201d<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And where was that?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 First Avenue.\u00a0 Northeast corner of First at Court Street.\u00a0 There\u2019s those town homes that face Court and they go around and there\u2019s some that face First.\u00a0 Right over here that was a sidewalk and there was these \u2013 I don\u2019t know, they\u2019ve been there as long as I can remember.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s like a little low fence.\u00a0 How tall are they?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, they are about this high I guess.\u00a0 And they just look like broken up pieces of concrete.\u00a0 And they would be covered with honeysuckle sometimes.\u00a0 It was all grown up in there you know.\u00a0 No telling what goblins lived across in there.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Was the sidewalk as crooked as it is now?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Probably so.\u00a0 Maybe not quite as.\u00a0\u00a0 Dr. Wiggins built that house right there and it was right next door to where my mother had a brother who lived in that next house on First Avenue.\u00a0 Adrian Houston.\u00a0 And he was a long time mechanic with Kossman\u2019s.\u00a0 And his pictures is in one of those early Fire Department pictures.\u00a0 Cleveland Fire Department pictures that I have seen.\u00a0 Maybe here or somewhere.\u00a0 My mother had nine brothers and one sister.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember walking down Victoria Street \u2013 Victoria Avenue?\u00a0 Was there anything that stood out about it?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I just remember the big oak trees, you know being there.\u00a0 And I\u2019m trying to think, the Sauders, Judson Sanders and had a sister.\u00a0 Mrs. Sanders just died not too long ago.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And where did they live?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They lived almost to highway 8 and Sunflower Road there.\u00a0 On the west side of Victoria.\u00a0 Mrs. Turner who was in the Park Commission in the summers and who taught at Delta State \u2013 Mary, I think is her name.\u00a0 But she has two daughters who have that Cotton Row Book Store.\u00a0 Mary Virginia?\u00a0 One is an O\u2019Neal and I can\u2019t think of \u2013<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Farmer.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Farmer, yeah.\u00a0 But their mother was my \u2013 I mowed her yard there and she ran the Park sometimes.\u00a0 She and Mrs. Effie Brown.\u00a0 But they lived up on North First and I always make a point of going by their house in the morning.\u00a0 And the Christensen Family lived about two houses north of them.\u00a0 Then there was this deaf and dumb couple that lived there right along where Mrs. Helms, Mr. and Mrs. Moody Helms lived on North First there before, about two houses back off the highway.\u00a0 Then the Church of Christ was built there on that corner.\u00a0\u00a0 Now it is a Lutheran Church.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Did everybody keep their yards pretty much up?\u00a0 I mean, you know, you ride around today and some people just don\u2019t care.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It was pretty much \u2013 down where the Tyler\u2019s lived in the southeast corner there where there is a four way stop by Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 The Tyler\u2019s lived catty-cornered across the intersection was a big house.\u00a0 The Tims built that house and before that it was a barn down there and fenced in area and the family had some cows, a few cows and horses.\u00a0 And those cows would get out somehow and they\u2019d come out and you could look out and see the cows grazing in Fireman\u2019s Park.\u00a0 That\u2019s really getting way on back.\u00a0 I\u2019d say \u201952 \u2013\u201953.\u00a0 Way, way\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But they never were a nuisance?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 You just wouldn\u2019t go around them when they were out there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Cows are big.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And my next door neighbors had chickens.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In their backyard.\u00a0 The Hancocks.\u00a0 And they had the meanest rooster.\u00a0 Of course we pestered that rooster.\u00a0 That rooster would chase you and he\u2019d try to claw you with those spurs.\u00a0 Yeah, Sammy Hancock, she just died last year or not too long ago.\u00a0 Her husband is Dennis Hancock.\u00a0 He had a radiator shop.\u00a0 And then the oldest son, Dennis, married one of my dad\u2019s sisters, Elizabeth.\u00a0 And Lanis married a Wherry girl, Sandra, \u00a0and they\u2019ve lived in Greenville a long time.\u00a0 And then George Hancock was the youngest of the three boys is a band director and I think lives somewhere around Jackson.\u00a0 We played cowboys and Indians there right after Christmas and one of the kids from the other side of the park had a fire rocket \u2013 wooden stick.\u00a0 I broke it in two.\u00a0 It was an accident and he stabbed George and put out his eye, one of his eyes.\u00a0 I will never forget that.\u00a0 Scared me to death.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh no.\u00a0 I\u2019ll bet.\u00a0 Oh goodness.\u00a0 Who were the cowboys and who were the Indians?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 George was the cowboy.\u00a0 George had a set of two guns.\u00a0 Maybe it was a Hop-a-long Cassidy type thing.\u00a0 And the other guy was, I want to say their name was McGaugh, Ronnie McGaugh sticks in my memory.\u00a0 That was way back.\u00a0 My first experiment with smoking.\u00a0 They were putting new trees in over there and they had big trees\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the park?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 And they dug out an area and John Hill, who was four or five years older than I am, had gotten some Picayune\u2019s.\u00a0 And so we got down in that dugout area and we puffed on Picayune\u2019s.\u00a0 Made me sick as a dog.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I guess so.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 But it\u2019s hard, memories, I remember, I can remember going down to the depot and waiting on the train.\u00a0 My mother\u2019s brother, the one that lived out in Washington State was coming to see us.\u00a0 And we were waiting on his train.\u00a0 And there was also another passenger train waiting for that one to come in.\u00a0 At one time Cleveland had three north bound and south bound passenger trains and of course before I came along the Peavine would actually come out of Cleveland and make that loop around Boyle to Skene and out that way.\u00a0 But there were four railroad tracks at one time you had to cross going, on Court Street to Sharpe Street.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Would ya\u2019ll ever just go down to watch the trains or put pennies on the track so (inaudible)?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh sure.\u00a0 And what I would do on that bicycle that my sister had.\u00a0 I\u2019d write my grandmother a letter and what I would like to do is speed up town when I heard the train coming in and back then, that\u2019s how mail, most mail was moved by train, and the RPO, the Railway Post Office Car in the train, had a letter slot in it about this long and you could raise that letter \u2013 the lid, and drop the letter in there and instead of having Cleveland, Mississippi, it would have Train 24, or Train 12 postmarked on it and the time.\u00a0 I still have a letter somewhere from my grandmother which was postmarked with the Railway Post Office cancellation.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really!\u00a0\u00a0 Oh fun.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Sure did.\u00a0 We\u2019d go down to the railroad tracks and play around in the yards there where, down below the compress and up back towards where Mr. Toler had his Gulf Oil place and Mr. C.P. House was there.\u00a0 Been there as long as I can remember.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In the present location?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 And there were three tracks and then it branched out into the yards and all the way down there.\u00a0 This is something Cleveland should have tried to save, was that turntable where the steam engines, and later even diesels I guess, would turn around you know.\u00a0 It was a giant, I say giant, to me it was giant, coal tower down there where the engine would pull the tender under there and some railroad worker would fill it with coal.\u00a0 And there was a waterspout just north from the depot across Court, but it was right on the track.\u00a0 And when the trains would come in there they\u2019d swing that thing and turn that water on and fill up, put the water in the tender.\u00a0 And just south of the depot there was a big water tank that seemed like it had shingles around me.\u00a0 I can\u2019t say for sure about that (inaudible) stuff like that.\u00a0 There was also what they called the house track that came off the main line track and behind the depot, you know where the street goes now?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They\u2019re \u00a0right there where James Walker\u2019s or somebody has a law office right there, there was a Mr. Solomon who had a coal and transfer business, called \u201cSoloman\u2019s Coal and Transfer\u201d and they would back a coal car in there, a hopper car, and he had this thing that could roll over there, a conveyor belt type thing, and somebody in the coal car would put the coal on the conveyor and it went down into a storage area.\u00a0 And he had a horse that must have been seventy years old \u2013 the horse \u2013 the wagon and he would go around selling coal to people for heating furnaces.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Neat.\u00a0 So there were still horse and mule drawn vehicles.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 He did.\u00a0 He surely did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What about the ice house?\u00a0 That spur to\u2026<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The ice house was up behind the West Implement place.\u00a0 It was the John Deere dealership right at the end of Sharpe Street there where, I don\u2019t know what\u2019s in there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Where Will Jacks is?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Pawn Shop.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh, Pawn Shop.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And behind that, and I know Mr. Tharpe ran that ice house there for a long time.\u00a0 It was between the back of that building now and where the Warehouse Restaurant is today.\u00a0 But yeah, I remember going up there.\u00a0 Daddy would go up there and fill up a drink box you know, and get it crushed and pour it on the soft drinks and put the sandwiches and stuff.\u00a0 But my dad\u2019s dad, this has nothing to do with Cleveland, but my Grandad Correro built the ice house in Drew in 1924.\u00a0 Sure did.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well it\u2019s suggested that that is the oldest building.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 In Cleveland?\u00a0 Could well be.\u00a0 That and that warehouse.\u00a0 But I can remember the days when the railroads were in the heyday and there would be cars on the side there.\u00a0 The Brown\u2019s had a siding and Cleveland Lumber Company was right there where the Entergy office is, and just north of where Brown\u2019s Salvage is now.\u00a0 And they had a spur track that came off there and they\u2019d get lumber and stuff off there and Brown would load up his metal.\u00a0 Nowell Lumber was just north of the Warehouse now and there was a siding there.\u00a0 Concrete Products, the Walker\u2019s, Mr. Walker, Bo Walker had it and sand and stuff like that all the way up.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember that little cemetery that is there?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 North Sharpe?\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you know why that one was there?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think it was a black cemetery, I think.\u00a0 Like this one out here on Bishop Road you know by the Presbyterian Church.\u00a0 You know they just had a place out there.\u00a0 I remember the old county home, we called it the Poor Folks Home, on that gravel road going to the Country Club?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And Mrs. Garrett, who is an aunt to Thomas Harris, the author, she and her husband lived there after it was done away with.\u00a0 And then when somebody died, there were unmarked graves and I don\u2019t know if they have been desecrated but there were 21 graves out there on the north side of Country Club drive.\u00a0 And when they put that addition in I\u2019m afraid that they might have gone through those.\u00a0 But that is where they buried the paupers.\u00a0 No markers there or anything.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What was that building that was the theatre for awhile?\u00a0 What was it used for?\u00a0 The old depot or something?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It came from over at Sherrard or Rena Lara.\u00a0 And it was just moved over there.\u00a0 Of course, that is how it took its name, Whistle Stop.\u00a0 But it was an old\u2026anyway, they brought that in the late \u201850\u2019s I would say.\u00a0 Cause I did the story for the paper about Mrs. McClendon and Mrs. Kossman.\u00a0 Ed was telling me his mother got up on that and helped put roofing on that Whistle Stop Playhouse.\u00a0 And didn\u2019t somebody buy it?\u00a0 Somebody bought it?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I don\u2019t know what the current state of it is.\u00a0 Well Cam, have we come to the end?<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I think so.\u00a0 This has been fascinating.\u00a0 Thank you very much.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Well, good.\u00a0 Good.\u00a0 I enjoyed it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 We ought to just send you home with the tape recorder.\u00a0 Well thank you very much for participating today.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 I love it.\u00a0 My brother, the first time I ever went hunting, what I call hunting, was where the DSU cafeteria apartments are.\u00a0 Mr. Cork had hogs in there.\u00a0 Pigs.\u00a0 All the way down that back area there.\u00a0 Of course there were no homes back then.\u00a0 There was no cafeteria at Delta State at all.\u00a0 So he would shoot doves in those tree lines.\u00a0 That tree line there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah. And Bishop Road was a gravel road and was called Hatchery, we called it Hatchery Road but that wasn\u2019t the name of it.\u00a0 That\u2019s where all the high school kids used to park.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 If you had a car.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Mr. Cork \u2013 the building has finally been torn down but he had a dairy right out here on Sunflower.\u00a0 And you noticed the pecan trees on the north side of Calvary, what is that, Calvary Baptist that is north of the Catholic Church there?\u00a0 That..<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 All of that was his space?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 That was part of the old Cork Farm.\u00a0 And the daughter, or granddaughter owns that property where that strip mall is now.\u00a0 But he had animals there and then our church bought it all.\u00a0 From Sunflower down to the Delta State property and back to the back of Fairfield Subdivision.\u00a0 Then Our Lady of Victories Church sold ten acres to Calvary Baptist Church to move from the other side of town.\u00a0 (inaudible).<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Okay. \u00a0Yep, you do know it all.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 What?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You do know it all.<\/p>\n

CM:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Do you remember anything about any of the churches on Court Street?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Methodist Church has been there as long as I can remember.\u00a0 The Baptist Church was much smaller then, because they have made so many additions to it.\u00a0 It was there.\u00a0 And right across the street was a Pure Oil Station there and next to it was Kennedy Ford.\u00a0 Right there on that corner that faced part of the \u2013 well, the edge of the Baptist Church property across was Kennedy Ford and it went all the way down to the stoplight there where the library is now.\u00a0 Before, the library was built, there was a putt-putt golf course there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Really!\u00a0 I didn\u2019t know about that.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Sure was.\u00a0 In fact, my sister and brother-in-law lived in a garage apartment right there, I don\u2019t know if the alley was right behind their house, or their apartment was on the other side of that alley now, between the Episcopal Church and where the library is.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 And there was a big old house in there somewhere.\u00a0 And I used to go by there and they had a big pear tree.\u00a0 And I\u2019d get a pear going up to the drugstore orgoing to the movie.\u00a0 That was (inaudible).\u00a0 But I do remember as a little child on Fifth Avenue was the last street on the west side of town.\u00a0 And the Hilburn\u2019s had a grocery store, the building, I don\u2019t know, they may have torn the building down, where Fifth Avenue dead ended into Yale?<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Um hmm.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 The Hilburn\u2019s had a grocery store there.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 It\u2019s a church there.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Immanuel Baptist is\u2026<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 They bought that property.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Got all that subdivision growing back there.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Yeah, that\u2019s only about ten or fifteen years old I guess.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 You like how Cleveland is growing?<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh yeah.\u00a0 I was shocked that it showed a loss of 1,500 on the last census, the most recent.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Doesn\u2019t feel like it.<\/p>\n

JC:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 No.\u00a0 It\u2019s bigger and bigger and bigger.\u00a0 It\u2019s fun being part of it.<\/p>\n

EW:\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Oh definitely.\u00a0 Well thank you again.<\/p>\n

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